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Hessen used to have a custom option, which what you would need to get wide sizing from them. They don't stock wide sizes. I don't see it on their site anymore... could be it's buried there somewhere, or they just don't do them anymore.
I've definitely heard mixed reviews about Hessen's success percentiles, with regard to custom orders, and not great things about their customer service if they get it wrong. For those who get lucky, they're fantastic. For those who don't... well, I hope you have a reasonable amount of disposable income so it doesn't hurt too badly.
Personally, if I couldn't fit Hessen's off-the-shelf sizing, I'd probably look at CrowProps as the next cheapest option. https://crowprops.bigcartel.com/product/black-officer-boots-without-zipper
After that the price starts climbing. Imperial Boots pricing isn't terrible (though certainly higher), so that may be an option.
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Wow, that looks *really* good, IMO.
A few small critisisms:
1) I think the color is a little too much on the gray side? I know Lt. Gorn's looked a lot more gray on Aldani, but those scenes were all color graded to hell and back, and it's hard to know how much to trust them. Of the two fabric's shown, I would lean towards the twill, since it seems like they use twill *everywhere* in the recent shows, but I couldn't swear to it.
2) The flap closure on the screen-used one has a rectangular detail that I'm not seeing... we suspect it's a magnetic closure, but it's hard to say with certainty. Diagonally, a little above the code cylinders, following the line towards the point? I don't object to the snap placement, even though I don't think that's there in the screen used one, since they're pretty much always supposed to be worn closed anyway... but they might want to add that rectangle even if it's non-functional.
3) Again I can't swear to this, but they might strongly consider making the inner-side code cylinder pocket a tad wider, so it can accomodate TWO code cylinder's. Again, I think it's the difference between Gorn's Aldani pattern, where Gorn only has one, and the Ferrix pattern where they cram two in there, so both are probably ok options.
4) On the first pic, it looks like there is some lighter fabric at the bottom front corners. Is that merely something else, hanging just behind the poncho, or actually part of it? Probably something behind it, but I can't be sure, so I wanted to make sure.
There's some really good reference shots in this thread:
Those small critiques aside, that looks like some pretty excellent work. Can you share the maker? I might actually consider picking up one of those, if the small tweaks can be made.
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11 hours ago, Detaleader said:
Again, do we know for sure *all* boxes have been metal on R1? How do we know that cast or printed boxes haven't been around from the start of the anthology projects?
Stare at these boxes long enough and the difference is quite clear.
Many of the costumes have gone on tour and been photographed extensively.
Go ahead and watch the movie again and see if you can capture evidence to the contrary. I've done so... carefully... and not seen a single one that looked like it could be resin. The proof is there on screen. Please feel free to try again yourself... there aren't actually that many scenes with officers, and only a handful of officers even wear belt boxes. They're just not there, on screen. I just watched it again tonight, in 4K UHD, on a calibrated 85" screen, specifically looking for belt boxes the whole time, to be sure.
Now, to your point: Is there any way to SWEAR there isn't a single out-of-focus background character wearing a resin one? Of course not. And it's pretty darned hard to prove a negative, without talking directly to everyone in the prop department. But I'm pretty sure are you not going to be able to show us a screen shot showing positive evidence of resin boxes in Rogue One. If you have some from some other source, by all means please share it with us.
*Everything* we've gleaned to date has indicated metal for Rogue One, and I've seen nothing to the contrary, including in deleted scenes and material not released to the public. On the other hand, the new resin ones can be seen pretty readily, in some subsequent features.
But here's the main question, after all that: What would it matter, if you found some evidence that one random out of focus background character used a resin belt box? We've made it pretty clear that the plan is to allow both... We're not making a separate character CRL just for a belt box difference. We're just trying to figure out the best way to state it in the CRL.
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58 minutes ago, Alay said:
Yes, but somewhere along the line someone saw it and decided it was the most important thing about it ever I guess haha
Also the thicker the gauge of metal, the bigger the gap between the two pieces (the "notched corner").
We're going way beyond the scope of this discussion or what should ever be in a CRL, but it's worth noting that they're indeed (at least partially) relief cuts. All metal bending has to have relief cuts to some extend, and bigger cuts for thicker metal, or it will tear, warp, or collide.
For example, here's an OT box I made. You can see that the ends don't quite touch each other, and in the corner the notched area is slightly larger than a 90 degree bend
and straight on
Here's how the seam looks in a CAD tool:
Point being, that can make the gap look more notchy, especially on smaller metal boxes this becomes more pronounced.
Understood. We're talking about different aspects of the same thing, though. I wasn't talking about the very corner bit, where there is a tiny relief cut to prevent corner puckering, I was talking about the actual edges of the metal, where you're literally looking at the thickness of the edges of the metal as it comes forward from the bend. That's the part that was made thicker when they 3D modeled it.
Had the box back been a solid piece of metal, and not had tabs folding forward, the metal would have needed relief cuts where the back "band" wraps around each corner, to replicate the look seen and generate those sharp edges, but that's not the case here, as the construction is different.
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3 hours ago, Detaleader said:
So if I understand this correctly:
- Metal boxes have these cutouts simply by nature of the material
- Resin boxes have it to simulate the metal boxes
Therefore any box should have these, regardless of it being an Andor box or not, right? If that's the case, should we just specify it for any box, or leave out the specification at all?
So if you look at the construction of the metal non-saga belt boxes, what you're looking at is the edges of the folded metal "tabs" which are bent up to make a flat sheet of metal into a box.
Those aren't relief cuts, they're literally just the edges of the cut metal, coming together. (These obviously lack the pill detail, but that's not the point)
At some point after Rogue One, someone got tired of bending sheet metal into boxes and decided to 3D model the boxes instead, print them, and then cast them in metal-infused resin, so they could mass-produce lots of them, quickly, with little work. The metal content in the resin gives you an actual metal finish without resorting to terrible-looking paint, and yet can still have a mirror-smooth finish. That's what they use in Andor. (Some actually are painted, too, but they have both types) Close examination of a screen-used belt box showed clear evidence of 3D printing in some hidden areas, captured in the resin, making it clear how they were produced.
We're going to take a close look at the final language for how we want to phrase all of this should have something later this evening, we hope. (Might be tomorrow for some of y'all, as time zones are a thing)
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1 hour ago, Alay said:
Yeah the relief cut on the bend is what they're talking about
Is that a relief cut, or is it the edges of the metal when the "tabs" were folded up?
It's been a day and I'm pretty cross-eyed right now, so I don't trust myself at the moment...
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If we're basically encouraging 3D-printed belt boxes, let's be sure to require that there are no visible print lines and that it has a smooth metallic appearance indistinguishable from real metal or resin. Certainly for L2+.
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Based on that it's a 1 hour troop where you'll mostly be standing around and greeting people, so it's not a 5 mile parade.
If you're super worried, wear your boots around the house every day this week, and get a feel for them. (and DON'T wear double layers of socks) You should know by Saturday if you have any areas of concern.
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9 hours ago, Zealot23 said:
I have maybe worn them for a grand total of two to three days, and I was planning on wearing several layers of socks. And you said to tape my feet? What kind of tape exactly should I use?
Regardless of the boot problem, I am still both extremely nervous, and stoked for my first troop
Ron is correct, it really depends on the troop. Some you'll be walking the whole time, others you'll mostly be standing still, and occasionally walking 20 feet before you get stopped again for more pictures.
Lots of tape types will work to protect your feet from severe rubbing areas... probably a medical grade tape is ideal (the kind you would use to tape your wrists or ankles, or apply large bandages?), but I've even used duct tape once or twice and had it work out fine.
It's entirely possible you're overthinking this. The most likely worst case scenario is you'll get a blister or two, and live with it. They're uncomfortable for a few days, but heal up fine with no lasting harm. It's also entirely possible you won't have any issues at all, especially with two layers of socks.
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How thoroughly broken in are they, and how much have you worn them previously?
I thought my best boots were well-broken in until I marched a 4 mile parade route in them. Oof, those raw spots took forever to heal.
I'd say at a minimum, wear two layers of socks, first real run out. A thinner under-layer, and a thicker outer layer, tend to be best. Old school hiking techniques will do the trick .;) Outside of sheet tiredness, from unfamiliar movements, that's generally going to help with the biggest pain point.
If you know in advance there are some hotspots on your feet from the boots, you can pre-tape your feet in advance, to avoid injuries to those areas.
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8 minutes ago, Thrawndikebar said:
Great! I assumed they might not be the most comfortable boots in the world. But that might be a fair tradeoff for the price point. My only concern is some of the reviews say it's tight around the calf, but I suppose I can always return them if they don't fit. Thank you!
They're they're definitely on the slender side, around the calf, and being PVC rubber, they really don't stretch. (A tiny amount, I suppose, but you *really* don't want to troop with tight rubber bands around your legs just below your knees). And of course not adjustable in any way... they'll either fit, or they won't.
That's the nice thing about returns, of course. (You can usually find those boots on Amazon, too, btw)
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Yup. The Derby Ovation boots (those) are a popular starter boot.
I say "starter" because they're ... not fun to troop in for long. Pretty miserable in the heat... that rubber doesn't breathe at ALL, and the footbed is... meh. (I used to actually ride in a pair.)
But if they'll fit you, you can definitely be approved in them.
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23 minutes ago, Alay said:
I concur whole heartedly. I'm not even sure it ought to be a requirement there.
How about we instead make it "may"?
"Boxes may have a pill shaped detail in the top and bottom."
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49 minutes ago, chicken45 said:
You should not have any issues getting the color of the tunic approved. The biggest thing we’ve seen was the collars being too tall. They should be under 2 inches for Meero and Partagaz, and most of the others seem to be around 1.5.
@kman can you post those pics you did?I agree the color is fine. The fabric itself is not accurate (it should be a twill, ideally Cavalry but Gabardine is commonly accepted alternative, and his is neither), but that's not something we've called out in the CRL, so it'll still pass.
The other, perhaps bigger, issue was the topstitching on the collars that we saw in photos. I'm not sure if that was just a prototype and it was addressed later, or if they shipped that way, but that could be a bigger issue. I'm hoping this was just a prototype, and a non-issue.
The collar height may be an issue for many, as well, as Joshua notes. Meero and Partigaz had taller collars, just under 2", but a number of Tripon's collars have been measuring just over 2", which is supposed to be an absolute maximum... and frankly, outside of those two, nearly all (there are a couple odd exceptions, but still the vast majority) had 1.5" collars, and not the 2"+ that seems to be Tripon's preference for some reason. You could argue scaling but unless you well north of 6 feet tall, that's a tough sell.
Meero:
Partigaz:
And then there are almost all of the others:
Blevin:
Yularen:
Corv: (attendant, not ISB, but just for completeness)
Looking around the conference table and other group scenes in Andor Episode 4, it's pretty clear that the vast majority have 1.5" collars. And those few that do have taller collars, they're still at least a touch under 2".
It all boils down to the GML, in the end (as always). Some just simply won't care, or won't be attentive enough to notice. But others will.
Overall, we think Jim did a great job on these tunics. But there are a couple areas that miss the mark, too, which is frustrating, because if he had approached the detachment instead of going directly to an LMO who didn't catch this stuff, things would have been more straightforward.
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On 5/5/2023 at 12:14 PM, DarthMother said:
Hi,
I plan to do the costume of Moff Tarkin and I will start with the boots.
Since I will get my boots customized I need to know what is best for Level 3 regarding the seams and other details. I might get the benefit to choose.
- In the added picture is different seams. If I can choose what is the best alternative for Moff Tarkins boots?
- In the picture the boots is slightly different in how shiny the leather is. Should the boots be high gloss or not?
- For the top of the boots "spanish" or flat, what is the best choice?
- For the back of the boots is a single seam or a overlock the best choice?
And my last question, so far, is if I have a chance to get approved as Moff Tarkin despite that I am short, and a woman? Is there a minimum length for him?
Thanks in advanced
from a Newbie
English is not my native language so I apologize if I have expressed myself strangely.
Sorry for the delay in responding.
Literally any of the boots pictured would be fully approvable.
If you're trying to be as exact as possible, I believe the pattern his boots used is closest to #3 and #4 (basically the same, both of those), perhaps the seams a little closer to #4.
The tops were fully flat, like in #2, but the seam is standard overlock construction (#2).
There's only two scenes with a remotely decent (albeit very dark) look at Tarkin's boots (and another at the conference table where you only get a quick flash of part of the sides), so we sort of have to go with other known boots, to extrapolate details, but from what we can see his boots still match the most commonly-used types seen on others, so that's pretty simple.
Scene 2 (later in the movie, actually, at Yavin)
Scene 1 (Alderaan):
Even lightening the photo doesn't help much. As the expression says "you can't squeeze blood from a stone".
The 501st does not discriminate as to sex or body type, so if you want to portray a Tarkin, that's 100% ok.
Hope all this helps!
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Safe to assume Robin snagged the last one?
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3 hours ago, TerekCyn said:
Hello there,
did some one know Whimsy CosPlay from etsy?
They offer a meassured uniform for a good price.
greetings
Are you referring to this costume?
https://www.etsy.com/listing/1277396137/female-imperial-officers-uniform
or this?
https://www.etsy.com/listing/1194944728/imperial-officers-uniform
The tunic construction is wrong on the female one ... they have three straight seams down the center of the back instead of the correct two princess seams construction called for in the CRL. The male one has the princess seams but is missing other required elements. The hat construction is missing required details as well. These glaring issues make them immediately suspect, in my book. I can't really tell any of the details of the fabric they've used, and it's nearly impossible to judge color without a reference. The accessories are all garbage. The pants pictured are all over the map... some of them look ok, others are bizarrely shaped. (not terribly hard to fix, but will require some sewing ability or a local tailor)
The price is good, but the costume soft parts (tunic, pants, hat), as pictured, are not approvable, even with replacing all of the accessories. IF the fabric is appropriate (again, can't tell) and they fixed the pattern problems, it might be a viable starter costume, but as listed, no, not without a substantial rebuild, which would require exact matching fabric and considerable sewing skills.
In sum: You could gamble on it, and be prepared to spend a fair amount with a local tailor to fix the issues (if they're fixable). But it's a gamble. Personally, I wouldn't.
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Ditto, if Robin passes, I'd love to know the price plus shipping to Los Angeles. (90017)
Also, do you have any photos of the final top pad? It's not clear in any of the photos here.
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6 hours ago, JynInDisguise said:
Well good news is I have black twill already so I should be able to get this going fairly soon. Need to fine tune my mock up but will then progress to documenting a build thread.
i noticed it was posted the dimensions for Andor boxes were updated but I have been unable to find the actual thread where it is stated. What are they and are there makers currently producing them? That would be my only area of concern on finalizing this build.
I believe @chicken45 responded in your other question thread, asking about them. I know BaileyBuilds makes them.
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On 3/2/2023 at 4:40 AM, Angelus said:
Star Wars: Visions:
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Lop_%26_Ochō
Character : Ochō
White Tunic- Fabric is a medium weight suiting material matching the pants.
- On the Left side there is a Rectangle
- Tunic is double-breasted with a left over right closure on the tapered yoke.
- Yoke comes up across the shoulder to the top shoulder seam.
- The standing collar has square corners and is between 1.25" (31.8 mm) to 2" tall.
- Collar closes snugly and includes a modesty panel behind closure.
- Collar edges are closed with two eye hooks.
- There are code cylinder pockets on both outside panels of the jacket from about half way between the top and bottom on the arm hole.
- Sleeves are long, and without decoration, cuffs or buttons.
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Sleeves contain 2 seams.
- One along the bottom and one along the back.
- Tunic is constructed with no top-stitching (stitches visible on the exterior surface of fabric)
- Hook and eye fasteners on the uniform should not be visible.
Looks great, @Angelus!
One note, looking at the references and screencaps above:
It looks like there is NO code cylinder pocket on the left, and the one on the right is actually at the bottom of the start of the arm hole level, WAY lower than usual.
And I'm not sure if there is supposed to be an exterior chest pocket right below the rank bar position?
Thoughts?
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5 hours ago, chicken45 said:
It was decided that this costume will go to the Rebel Legion instead of the 501st.
And for clarity and the record, the LMOs decided this above our heads. Our request was rejected.
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I greenlit the addition last week, after re-watching the episode, and grabbing a bunch of screencaps and lightening them in Photoshop. They do have that expansion gusset seen in the non-saga TIE gloves. And smooth backs, not the 3-lined gloves of the OT TIE gloves.
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For slender people with feet that fit their limited size range, I'd generally recommend Hessen Antiques. https://hessenantique.com/riding-boots/
If you don't fit their limited sizing (and bear in mind the sizes run SMALL, not large, despite what the website claims), I would usually recommend CrowProps as the next cheapest option. They're full custom and there is a wait involved, however. https://crowprops.bigcartel.com/product/black-officer-boots-without-zipper
After that the price starts climbing. Imperial Boots pricing isn't terrible (though certainly higher), so that may be an option. Beyond that, yeah, higher (and slower). Mux Leather, Magnoli, actual custom riding boots... lots of options.
For my wife, I was super patient and just waited for the right size to show up on eBay, Etsy and local riding shops, and eventually scored a nice pair of legit riding boots for all of $75. Took about 9 months, though. You could get luckier. Or not.