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Hi @chicken45!
My TKID is ID 11447 and I took my own pics :). If it’s ok for photographer name I’d just like my first name and last initial. So that would be Lindsay L. Or feel free to just use my TKID for photographer name too. Thank you
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Here’s a link to the newer convos for this costume too
Thank you
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5 hours ago, Jean said:
Sorry for this very late question but most of the officers have specific symbols in the hat and jacket (neck).
Is it possible to add that option to this CRL?
Thanks
Most face officers but non face ones not as many. But I too also think it’d be fine to add as an option! Just like the Seventh Fleet patch is an option this can be too.
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Ok here’s costume pieces pics with better pics of tunic: https://imgur.com/a/GIpOy0o
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10 hours ago, buckrogersbarker said:
the LMO office is having some "reorganization". we will work on the text and prepare for when we send this to them
Sounds good, I'll get pics of the front of the tunic snapped up and back too with sleeves showing. If you need any other pics of other parts of the uniform let me know, I'll get those too. I'm going by my storage unit on Thursday so I'll have it to take pics of elements of it
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Below are links to costume pics and me in the costume. I can get better tunic pics, but gotta wait till the weekend to do that because I moved a few months ago and the costume is in storage, so I’ll get it out of my storage unit and take pics this weekend. I assume closed front tunic pic is needed, anything else? I figure boots, blaster, blaster holder you’d use pics of those from other CRLs—it seems the same pics of those items are used in most of the IOC CRLs. The Thrawn Rebels CRL has the blaster and blaster holder I saw other officers in Rebels use, but like I mentioned above I never saw faceless officers use a blaster. The belt and gloves are the same as shown in the Pryce CRL, so those can be used or I can take more pics of mine. Thank you!
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On 5/31/2022 at 12:13 PM, buckrogersbarker said:
This costume has been cleared to proceed by the LMO office as of this morning. @LindsayL do you have the full views of your finished costume ready? As well as photos of the individual components?
Yes, I’ll get Imgur links up shortly!
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ArtbyDanH on Etsy makes 3D printed rebels style code cylinders, and I believe one can get the 3D print file too because a member in my garrison 3D printed me some before I got the ones from Philo props. Also, I DMd Philo props and asked for that style. So one might be able to DM any other seller and ask if they can do rebels style code cylinders.
As for holster, I believe I’ve seen one on Thrawn on rebels. I can look, but that’s not a generic officer so would that holster count?
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Ok, I can confirm that all generic officers (and even face ones except Thrawn and Tarkin ) wear gloves, so those should maybe be mandatory? Also, found a close up of blaster used. I took pics of officers in gloves from various episodes, and the one with the blaster (although the officer w/blaster is face character—Slavin, just seen in episode “Hera’s Heroes” I did not see faceless officers draw blasters)
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4 hours ago, kman said:
I concur with no piping. I've looked over a lot of reference materials (and watched a few episodes, and agree that the officers in particular do not appear to have any sort of piping. You can see shadows in the seams, that's all. There's no piping.
The boots seems pretty straightforward... if there is no distinguishing feature unique to Rebels boots, I don't think we need to recreate the wheel.
For the accessories: Gloves, belt boxes, holster+blaster:
1) To the details of the ones seen on screen match the details in Rebels, so we can reasonably assume these pretty precise descriptions are accurate to the Rebels presentation?
2) Have we need officers wearing (or not wearing) any of these items? I have not looked specifically, recently, so need to depend on others for a call, here. (Unfortunately when I watched the two Rebels episodes recently, I was specifically looking for piping and didn't think to pay attention to the accessories) If we've seen any individual olive officers:
(a) WITH belt boxes, AND withOUT belt boxes
... then the belt boxes should be optional. If we have not seen them at all, or EVERY officer has them, they should not be included. (or included as mandatory, in the latter case)
(b) WITH gloves, and withOUT gloves
... then the gloves should be optional. If we have not seen gloves at all, or EVERY officer has them, they should not be included. (or included as mandatory, in the latter case)
and (c) Ditto for the blaster. Have we seen olive officers with a blaster? (and which blaster?) Did they have a holster?
I can't answer these questions without doing more research than I have time to, at the moment, but someone needs to do the researching, so we can answer these questions.
The wording is fine (assuming those detail match... see point 1, above), it's just a question of verification, and then placement in the CRL. (optional or not... assuming we've seen them at all)
I have watched Rebels probably over 10 times, I’ve never seen belt boxes, I do see gloves on some—they being animated lack any seams, look like latex gloves but w/o the shine lol! I think the gloves wording is fine and can be optional—however I will look to see if all or just some generic officers wear them. And some do draw blasters but I have not looked close enough to the details on the blaster. I know a few episodes where blaster is drawn so I can look.
On another note, I think we should make the animated code cylinders mandatory. You can easily find that style to purchase and not that expensive. In an earlier reply to this post I added a link to a pic of the animated code cylinders Philo props made for me.
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On 4/3/2022 at 5:11 PM, Hoda said:
Lastly, boots and accessories! I propose we just lift existing boots and accessory verbiage from the Imperial Military Officers (again, since this is supposed to be a generic Rebels officer CRL - I think we can always add on / revise as needed).
Officer Boots
- Knee-high, black, riding style, lace-less, smooth non-textured, leather or leather-like material.
- There are no buckles, snap tabs or decoration.
- Boots have conservative heels.
- A single stretch panel or zipper may be present, they are to be hidden on the inner part of the boot shaft.
- Not visible from the front, side or back.
- The top of the boots may be flat or Spanish Style, but not Cowboy or Super Hero (pointed at the front) style.
- A small V-shaped notch may be present that the back of the boots top.
OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):
- Boots do not have a zipper.
OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable):
- Boots are made of leather.
- Not vinyl or PVC.
- Exact replicas of English riding (dress) boots or Equestrian boots.
Gloves (Optional)
- Black, wrist length gloves constructed of a smooth, non-textured leather or leather-like material.
- Enclosed fingers.
- No buckles, straps, etc.
OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):
- Gloves have a plain back and no visible adornments.
- Gloves made of leather.
- Gloves end just past the wrist.
OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable):
- Gloves have a notch centered in the edge below the palm.
- Slit may be straight or rounded.
Belt boxes (Optional)
- Dimensions are approximately 2" (50.8mm) wide by 3" (76.2 mm) tall by 1" x (25.4mm) thick.
- Two boxes to be worn vertically, one each on either side of the belt buckle.
OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):
- Belt boxes are made of metal.
Colored contact lenses (Optional)
- Colored contact lenses must be worn if required to accurately portray an alien character’s inhuman eye coloring.
- Contacts giving the appearance of any natural human eye color may be worn to emulate a specific officer's configuration, if desired.
- All persons utilizing contact lenses are encouraged to first see their optometrist for a fitting.
Holster (Optional)
- Made of black leather or leather-like material.
OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):
- Holster is affixed via a single loop over the belt.
- Holster is made of leather.
SE-14R Light Repeating Blaster (Optional)
- The barrel detailing is evident with the cocking lever and slider in place.
- The ejection port is also evident.
- The scope mount looks similar to the magazine but smaller in size.
- The scope does not protrude past the blaster body.
I would add the Seventh Fleet patch on the left arm as an optional thing too since we see some officers that have that. Also, I would change the first part of the hat language, I think people read the “optional” part but don’t see/get that it’s only optional if you’re doing a face character that doesn’t wear it. Maybe don’t add that for this CRL because this is just for general/nameless officer and they always had hats in rebels, and if people want to do a rebels face character CRL then the hat option (or lack of) will be in that CRL? Or maybe just change the wording in this one a bit and say like “hat require unless doing a face character that does not wear one” or something like that so it’s less confusing
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On 4/3/2022 at 5:16 PM, Hoda said:
Oh yes, last thing. I was thinking we update the CRL if we ever come across Rebel Officers w/ straight pants and non-boots. Does not feel like something we include for now.
Yeah there were none with straight pants in the series, but you never know about in the future!
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On 4/3/2022 at 6:00 PM, Hoda said:
Ah yes, a member also reached out about one particular aspect of animated characters - piping! The idea is that maybe piping can help add some details to the seams and make it more cartoon-like.
Here's the state of the IOC CRL wrt piping and Rebels characters -
No piping -
- https://databank.501st.com/databank/Costuming:ID_Governor_Arihnda_Pryce
- https://databank.501st.com/databank/Costuming:ID_Thrawn_rebels
- https://databank.501st.com/databank/Costuming:ID_Agent_Kallus
Piping -
I'd love to hear from the group -
- Do you think we should be adding piping verbiage to the CRL?
- If so, is this something at basic? Higher level?
I would imagine that this would be a pretty big update even at level 2/3 - I'd love to be consistent, so depend on how the group thinks, we might need to go back and make tweaks to the other CRLs.
To me piping would make it look less animated, I see the animated style as minimalistic and adding piping would make an officer uniform look busy and full of unnecessary detail especially since the Rebels officer uniforms don’t have piping. In Rebels for cadets you can clearly see the grey piping—they are not just lines drawn to show seams they are genuinely extra piping details—they don’t just follow seams on the uniform, they are added in other places to make a design on the uniform—so it’s deliberate extra detail and not just lines drawn to show the seams, so it makes sense for that costume but you don’t see piping in the officer uniforms. In Rebels officers there are lines showing seams (which the uniform has and does show—the CRL even says “stitches visible on exterior surface of fabric”, and to me that is what we are seeing in Rebels not piping) and on the side where it buttons you’ll see shadow lines (sometimes it looks wider or smaller depending on lighting in the scene) and you’ll see the slight overlap on the shoulder to show that’s the side with the flap that’s buttoned and there is no piping there, just shadow, there are no extra lines to show extra details or design in the officer uniforms like you see in the cadet one. All the current animated officer uniforms CRLs don’t have piping either because it’s just the seams which can be seen, so it’s consistent that they don’t have piping.
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It all sounds good to me!
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Going to a concert Monday night so can’t make this, but was there this past weekend, lots of fun as usual! Bouncers do ask to see both ID and vax card before you’re allowed in, both bars I went to in LA this weekend did, not sure if still will in May, but might want to bring both anyway just in case. Also, in the parking lots behind the bar there are machines you pay to get a ticket to park, do not pay the person who stands there collecting money, they ask for $15, the machine is $10. Tell them no you’re going to get a ticket from the machine.
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On 3/16/2022 at 1:07 AM, kman said:
Hey all! I'm late to the party here, for which I apologize... real world life has been kicking my Imperial hindquarters quite a bit lately.
A couple of thoughts, which can be revisited later if you'd like:
"Cavalry Twill or a Gabardine style weave is most accurate."
That's obviously accurate for real-world officers, but since we are making a uniquely animated costume here, is that actually needed? Not one little scrap of fabric weave is visible in this animation, even in extreme closeups. I don't think we should mandate smooth fabric, of course, but I'm also not sure we should get into specific fabrics used in the live action shows.
Then there's the code disc for the hat and belt. It's a pretty key distinguishing feature, given how different it is from the live action parts. Are you sure it should be L2, as opposed to L1? There's at least one established vendor, unless things have changed, AND they don't seem like they'd be that hard to hand make, if you're handy that way... it's basically a washer, right?
For the tunic, should the central seam down the back be a basic requirement, or L2? Seems like a pretty key distinguishing feature of the Rebels version vs a regular officer, since we're distinctly making this an animated officer costume. (I guess that could be discussed later, but wanted to mention...)
For the Rebels Code Cylinders, I hope we can get some good examples of how the real Rebels ones should be done.
I'll try to revisit this soon... tonight started off as IOC catch up and ended up crunching Excel spreadsheets for work for three hours, so I feel like I've lost my way here and it's 1am all of a sudden...
I just posted about the discs too then saw your post! Yes, I also mentioned how even though small they are pretty prominent on the animated costume. Also, I have rebel style code cylinders, had them made by Philo props (he also does rebels style discs), I did put pics in my original post, I think it’s the missing image now or in one of the links there. It’s mostly the little tab thingy that’s a little different shape. Here’s a link to a pic: https://imgur.com/a/3gUuZGZ
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On 3/15/2022 at 7:04 PM, Hoda said:
Now, belt. Also lifted from Pryce CRL.
Belt
- The belt is constructed from a non-textured leather or a leather-like material.
- Approximately 2" (50.8 mm) in width no more than approximately 3" (76.2 mm) wide.
- There are no loops on the belt.
- A single large snap or rivet is visible approximately 1" (25.4 mm) to the left of the buckle, snap can be raised to a semi conical shape.
- The buckle is constructed from a horizontally brushed metal, or metal looking material.
- Buckle has a raised metal code disk.
OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):
- Belt does not have grooves.
Now, I do wonder if we should include in level 2 a "Rebel Style Disk" requirement, similar to what we did for the hat - this wasn't in the Pryce CRL, but I think it might be good to include (consistency)
- Code Disk exactly matches Rebels style disk
Definitely include rebels style disc, it may be small but it’s prominent on the animated costume, maybe they should be required for both hat and belt since they are so prominent in the animated costume. They are easy to find both for hat and belt. If you keep both style maybe make mention that hat and belt disc need to match—so same style for both so you don’t get mis matching discs
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11 hours ago, Hoda said:
Alright, moving on! I updated the sleeve language to "Sleeve may contain one seam on the inner arm", to make it flow better.
Rank Bar time!
We already have verbiage from Pryce's rank bar. I started from there, and borrowed some verbiage from the Imperial Military Officer (Non-Saga).
Rank Bar
- Worn on the left side of the tunic over the heart, aligned with the code cylinder pocket.
- Rank consists of same-sized colored plastic tiles mounted on metal or metal looking bar.
- Length and height are determined by chosen rank.
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Each bar is approximately 1" (25.4 mm) height.
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Rank bar corners are slightly rounded.
- Rank tiles are translucent, rectangular, positioned side by side in a vertical orientation, and evenly spaced.
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Color, quantity, and combinations of the tiles/bars are determined by rank, and are appropriate to uniform type/color as supported by licensed reference.
OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):
- For rank bars with two rows, the rank bar is one strip with four rounded corners NOT two separate bars as with OT rank bars; tiles are opaque.
- Chosen rank to match a specific officer seen onscreen or other licensed media.
Sounds good!
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Yeah no proof of lining, that can be optional since it’s hidden anyway, some may want it just for comfort. And yeah no seams on sleeves, will probably need one on the inner side of sleeve where it’s more hidden because I think it’s impossible to make a sleeve without a seam
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On 2/27/2022 at 6:57 AM, Hoda said:
In that case, to keep this as ANIMATED as possible for now, and let's revisit the "should this be a separate CRL or v3" discussion once we have the texts all knocked out? We can then see how we feel.
In the spirit of keeping this as ANIMATED as possible, I'd like to propose the following texts for the hat:
Hat, Olive, Rebels-Style
- Hat is OPTIONAL but only if a specific referenced licensed character’s typical uniform configuration is copied in full, and does not typically include a hat.
- Fabric is a medium weight suiting material matching the pants and tunic if applicable.
- Cavalry Twill or a Gabardine style weave is most accurate.
- Base of the hat is conical, with a crown about 4 inches (101.6 mm) tall.
- Front and rear “flaps” overlap on the sides, with the back flap over the front, and are about 4 inches (101.6 mm) high.
- Front bill extends 3 inches down; there are no concentric stitches.
- Imperial Code Disk is positioned in the center of the front vertical "flap.”
OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):
- Code Disk exactly matches Rebels style disk
Thoughts?
Sounds good to me
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On 2/20/2022 at 11:24 AM, Hoda said:
SO, most of these texts are the same as the "Imperial Military Officer (Non-Saga)" hat.
No issues there. I think we be consistent as much as we can here with officers of the same era.
That being said, there are two items on here that are what make this a unique "Rebels" CRL - do we want to make them a level one requirement? Instead of optional level 2/3 requirements?
1. "Decorated with 5, 6 or 7 concentric stitches" - none of the images I can find actually shows the concentric stitches.
2. "Rebel Style Disk" - in the tentative code disk description here, we have the Rebels style disk as lvl 2/3 requirement. It's what makes the Rebels officer unique no?
@LindsayL what are your thoughts on this? I am sure it came up during your construction.
In the conversation it was mentioned that the no concentric circles could be level 2 or 3. But yea, we should keep these at basic if we are doing an animated version (either CRL or version 3) because it goes with what is shown in the animated series—there are no concentric circles on animated hats. And the disc matches the belt one too for animated series belt, so it’d be odd if someone mis-matches those. And taking these away you’re starting to erase the animated look. -
On 2/20/2022 at 6:33 PM, Hoda said:
That's a good point.
Hm speaking of which, before we get too far with this conversation ... a small but possibly worthwhile digression ...
Instead of creating a "Rebels" officer CRL, what do we think about creating a third version for the newly created Imperial Military Officer?
Here's the thinking -
- The Imperial Military Officer CRL was recently created to allow members to provide members with flexibility when creating costumes. We call out in the text that the CRL was intended for "Star Wars, Rogue One, Solo, The Mandalorian and Expanded Universe".
- This Rebels Officer CRL occurs around the same time period in the universe, the difference being these are "animated" and not "real life".
- As it stands, a lot of our conversation is about leveraging almost the same language for the "Basic" level CRL, with level 2/3 being more animated.
- We are not creating a "face character".
- SO, why not create just a "version 3" of the Imperial Military Officer CRL, with the third version focusing on Rebels style officer?
This is exactly what was done for the Imperial Security Bureau Officer CRL (check out how different v1, v2, and v3 looks).
For reference, these are the features that I think would make it into "v3", or the Rebels-style of the Imperial Military Officer -
- Tunic: One seam down the middle on the back
- Hat: "Rebels-style" hat disk, no concentric circles on hat
- Belt: "Rebels-style" belt disk, no grooves,
- Jodhpur: Pointed flares
- Rank Bar: Animated (Rank bar is one strip with four rounded corners NOT two separate bars as with OT rank bars; tiles are opaque.)
We had proceeded down the path of creating a separate Rebels Officer CRL since this was started years ago ... but now that we have the Imperial Military Officer CRL, maybe this is another option?
What are your thoughts on this? @buckrogersbarker @kman @shadan
I like this version 3 idea with the animated difference (hat, jodhpurs, etc). What Shadan says is fine too—for me separate CRL or version 3 is fine, but if folks want to put like a 7th fleet patch on a real world costume I think that should be fine to.
I’ll add that for me animated is different (or both same and different to be more precise) from real world versions—they have those slight differences to show they are specifically from the animated shows. I get that it’s a stylized version of real world costume, but to me that’s the point—we are creating the look that that stylized animated medium portrays, which is a streamlined, minimalistic version of live action. Just as creating a real world looking costume pays tribute to the costume design and characters in live action, creating a costume to look like how the costume is portrayed in the animated series pays tribute to the characters and animators/artists’ designs of the costumes. To say it’s just the animated style of real world costume erases the animated part and the animators/artists’ designs of the costumes imo.
We have an animated Pryce CRL already with some of those differences too, so that’s why I get the separate CRL idea, but the version 3 is fine to me too since one could say that was done because it’s not a face character, then add like the patch as optional accessory on all versions so everyone who does any version can have that if they want.
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New pics: https://imgur.com/a/6QqX1D0
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CRL rough draft:
Description: Rebels Style Line Officer
Prefix: ID
Detachment: Imperial Officer Corps
Context: Star Wars Rebels
Tunic
• Fabric is a olive drab medium weight suiting material.
• Double-breasted with a left over right closure on the tapered yoke.
• Yoke comes up across the shoulder to the top shoulder seam.
• The standing collar has square corners.
• Collar closes snugly without visible fasteners and includes a modesty panel behind closure.
• Collar edges are closed with two eye hooks.
• There are code cylinder pockets on both outside panels of the jacket from about half way between the top and bottom on the arm hole.
• Sleeves are long, and without decoration, cuffs or buttons.
• Tunic is constructed with no top-stitching (stitches visible on the exterior surface of fabric).
OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable)
• Collar is approximately 1.25" (31.8 mm) tall.
• A central seam runs down the back of the tunic, with no princess seams.
• The yoke is void of any decoration or cuts.
• Sleeves contain one seam on the inner arm
Trousers
• Fabric is a medium weight suiting material exactly matching the tunic and olive drab in color.
• Trousers have narrow stiff flares.
• Pockets are acceptable, although are not visible with the tunic on.
OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):
• The flares on the jodhpurs mimic the shape of Rebels officer’s flares
Officer Boots
• Knee-high, black, riding style, lace-less, smooth non-textured, leather or leather-like material.
• There are no buckles, snap tabs or decoration.
• Boots have conservative heels.
• A single stretch panel or zipper may be present, they are to be hidden on the inner part of the boot shaft.
◦ Not visible from the front, side or back.
• The top of the boots may be flat or Spanish Style, but not Cowboy or Super Hero (pointed at the front) style.
OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):
• Boots do not have stretch panels or a zipper.
OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable):
• Boots are made of leather.
◦ Not vinyl or PVC.
• Exact replicas of English riding (dress) boots or Equestrian boots.
Rank Bar
• Worn on the left side of the tunic over the heart.
• Rank consists of colored plastic tiles mounted on metal or metal looking bar.
• Each bar is approximately 1" (25.4 mm) height.
• Top bar has a small radius on the top right and left corner.
• Bottom bar has a small radius on the bottom right and left corner.
OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):
• Rank bar is one strip with four rounded corners NOT two separate bars as with OT rank bars; tiles are opaque.
Code Cylinders
• (2) Code Cylinders are worn.
• Modified Silver "chalk holder" tube with a short clip and blue top.
• Dosimeter Style: True Dosimeter with correct clip and Blue top.
• Clip is silver in color.
OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):
• Must be Rebels style code cylinder with correct Rebels style clip and blue caps.
Gloves
• Black, wrist length gloves constructed of a non-textured leather or leather-like material.
• Enclosed fingers.
• No buckles, straps, or other decoration.
OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):
• Gloves extend past the wearer's wrist several inches, covering the forearm while reaching or bending the arm.
Belt
• The belt is constructed from a non-textured leather or a leather-like material.
• Approximately 2" (50.8 mm) in width no more than approximately 3" (76.2 mm) wide.
• There are no loops on the belt.
• A single large snap or rivet is visible approximately 1" (25.4 mm) to the left of the buckle, snap can be raised to a semi conical shape.
• The buckle is constructed from a horizontally brushed metal, or metal looking material.
• Buckle has a raised metal code disc.
OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):
• Belt does not have grooves.
* raised metal code disc matches Rebels style disc
Optional Accessories
Items below are optional costume accessories. These items are not required for approval, but if present appear as described below. If adding in an accessory after initial approval, the item still needs to be submitted to local GML for approval before use:
— 3 inch Chimaera patch on left arm
Hat, Olive
• Fabric is a medium weight suiting material exactly matching the tunic and pants.
◦ Gabardine style weave is most accurate.
• Color matches the tunic and pants.
• Base of the hat is conical, with a crown about 4" (101.6 mm) tall.
• Front and rear "flaps" overlap on the sides and are about 4" (101.6 mm) high.
• Front bill extends 3" down, decorated with (5) (6) or (7) concentric stitches.
• Imperial Code Disk positioned in the center of the front vertical "flap."
OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):
• Code disk has a notch in it on the outermost disk.
OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable):
• Code Disk exactly matches Rebels style disc
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On 8/3/2021 at 8:35 AM, Hound said:
Looking forward to see this crl, looks like a lot of work has already been done and the finish is in sight!
Thanks yeah, last week and this week is bit busy but after this week I should have some down time set up the camera and do new pics
update, new pics: (new link now below)
Finalizing CRL Proposal - Imperial Military Officer (Rebels)
in New CRLs - Completed
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Under the hat part it says:
But for Rebels style they don’t have the concentric circles so it should say something like:
Also, not sure we need the eye color part since it’s not a face character?