Tonydragon

I've not been following this buid in close detail, can I just summarise why it was rejected to to see if I'm understanding it correctly?  The crl was rejected by the LMO because:
 
- The LMO team should have been involved sooner.
Except that the LMOs were involved from the very beginning of this thread and have commented consistently.
 
- The costume should not have been made before the LMO team had given the crl a green light.
Except that whenever new crls have been asked about in the past the standard response from Kris (an LMO) has always been "someone has to build it first".
 
- There aren't clear reference shots of the back
Except this has never been a requirement that is applied evenly and, according to the actual wording (shared above), is not so much a requirement as a preference.
 
Anything else I'm missing?

I've not been following this buid in close detail, can I just summarise why it was rejected to to see if I'm understanding it correctly?  The crl was rejected by the LMO because:
 
- The LMO team should have been involved sooner.
Except that the LMOs were involved from the very beginning of this thread and have commented consistently.
 
- The costume should not have been made before the LMO team had given the crl a green light.
Except that whenever new crls have been asked about in the past the standard response from Kris (an LMO) has always been "someone has to build it first".
 
- There aren't clear reference shots of the back
Except this has never been a requirement that is applied evenly and, according to the actual wording (shared above), is not so much a requirement as a preference.
 
Anything else I'm missing?

I've not been following this buid in close detail, can I just summarise why it was rejected to to see if I'm understanding it correctly?  The crl was rejected by the LMO because:
 
- The LMO team should have been involved sooner.
Except that the LMOs were involved from the very beginning of this thread and have commented consistently.
 
- The costume should not have been made before the LMO team had given the crl a green light.
Except that whenever new crls have been asked about in the past the standard response from Kris (an LMO) has always been "someone has to build it first".
 
- There aren't clear reference shots of the back
Except this has never been a requirement that is applied evenly and, according to the actual wording (shared above), is not so much a requirement as a preference.
 
Anything else I'm missing?

Pathfinders - Mountain Trooper.

Where was the sources for that? That was solely from a galaxy’s edge exclusive action figure....

This is the problem I have seen pointed out several times in the last few hours in this thread. There are way too many examples of “yes, THESE are the rules, but not when it applies to X,Y or Z, because WE deem it so”.

Hi, bargain basement SWAT team Lt. Sunber here.
 
For what it's worth, under the "Character Approval" in the "CRL and New Costume Survival Guide", it states:
 
The way it's written, it sure sounds like some leeways can be given. A full back reference is not required as some have stated on this thread. Legion costumes have had a track record of getting updated over the years as more reference materials emerge. A "complete ensemble" costume and CRL has been developed closely following available reference images. Just my two cents - when there are conflicting opinions I like to draw people back to the original text (to take feelings and assumptions out of the equation).

We are archeologists.  Unless we get to hold and touch multiple copies of the same on screen costume, we go on the best information available.  We guess the fabric, the material, the color.  We guess how the costume goes together. (it was years before we figured out how officer jackets really went together.  most people for the longest time had a zip up jacket covered with a yoke).  Why does moff Jejerrod have two seams on his yoke and everyone else has two?  Why do the shuttle pilots for Darth Vader have 5 stitches on their hat brim and everyone else have 7 or more?  These questions only appeared in recent years.  The color of the cog on the TIE pilot helmet recently changed.  After all these years we just figured out what it really was?

I have seen people claim to be the guardians of accuracy when they wore costumes that were never on screen and we only learned that after the blurays and HD copies of the films came out.  I have seen them stand in the way of costumes being developed when their own first of a kind costumes missed pockets and shoulder boards.  The standards are very much NOT evenly applied.  The answer is a fair system that works.

Until the day comes where we get to partner with LFL and get to see the costumes top to bottom, in person and interact with the costume designers, we are archeologists giving our best theories.  And theories are replaced with better theories as new information comes out.  That is how it is and how it always has been.  Anyone that says otherwise is kidding themselves.
 
I am committed to developing relations with the costume designers so we can get the information (and hopefully the photos from the horses mouth).  But until that day comes where we have established those relationships we should act on the best information we have.  As we have in the past and as we do so today with other costumes approved now.

I attribute no malice to the decisions made, but members that focus more attention on armor and don't even know what a princess seam is are not the people who should be making these kinds of decisions.  They don't have the interest, the skill or the involvement.  The LMO team should be a vibrant diverse group and those that focus on these matters should have a weighted voice.
 
Not approving this IS a WRONG.  It is not a virtue.  Moving forward with the best information we have after a year and a half after the movie has been released is not a mistake.  It is overdue.  And I will support any LCO's LMO team that adopts that stance that we launch with the best information available and we adjust as new information comes out.

We also see a “staff officer” piloting a Gozanti.  Get ready for the JRS to try and poach   

For me its Dark grey with a light grey center panel.

Oh boy.  The old "black versus dark grey" debate.  Worms are spilling out of the can...

- Jeff

Shoulders:

Back:

Chest:
 

 

Hello everyone.
I create this post to show the WIP for a new CRL, the ISB AGENT (Battlefront 2), since the reference images are only of the video game, I will have to wait for the confirmation of the GML of the detachment to see if it is possible to do this suit for the 501st.
For the rest I leave here reference images and 3D models of the hard parts that I have created to make the suit. As I say, the suit is in process.
 
Helmet:

Well, I'm going to stimulate this discussion in our Squadron and ask our GML directly...
 
But if there is nothing against including the A280 in the CRL and no one has anything against it, why not simply implement it?
That way, any further discussion would be over...
 
There has been this discussion on a small scale here before:
And especially here - including photos of the action figure with the Blaster and the collectible card:
 
And I found at least three more chats where this topic was mentioned...
I think it's time to put an end to these discussions and let words be followed by deeds:
INCLUDES THE BLASTECH A280 IN THE CRL OF THE IMPERIAL NAVY TROOPER!!!
 
And yes, the thing may be big, heavy and uncomfortable...but what do you do for the Empire?!
LONG LIVE THE EMPIRE!!!
I'm used to worse when I trooped as Heavy Weapons Trooper...
And if this blaster is too heavy for you, you can wear an DL-21 (without holster)!
 

We also see a “staff officer” piloting a Gozanti.  Get ready for the JRS to try and poach   

We also see a “staff officer” piloting a Gozanti.  Get ready for the JRS to try and poach   

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Imperial Staff Officer (Non Saga)
Description: Imperial Staff Officer
Prefix: ID
Detachment: Imperial Officer Corps
Context: Rogue one, Solo, The Mandalorian and Expanded Universe.
These black uniformed officers are high class soldiers within the Empire's Imperial Army and provided a commanding presence among the legions of Stormtroopers where their leadership roles often inspire troops in battle. These ambitious officers not only serve aboard starships and military installations but are also pilots for transports,
 
Imperial Hat, black
Fabric is a medium weight suiting material matching the pants and tunic if applicable. Hat is coned shaped with a flat crown. Gabardine style weave is most accurate. Base of the hat is conical, with a crown about 4" (101.6 mm) tall. Front and rear "flaps" overlap on the sides and are about 4" (101.6 mm) high. Front bill extends 3" down, decorated with 5, 6 or 7 concentric stitches. Imperial Code Disk is positioned in the center of the front vertical flap. Code Disk has no notch detail on the outermost disk.  
OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Code Disk exactly matches anthology films.    
   
Tunic, Black Fabric should be a medium weight suiting material exactly matching the pants and hat. Tunic is double-breasted with a left over right closure on the tapered yoke. Yoke comes up across the shoulder to the top shoulder seam. The standing collar has square corners and is about 1.25" (31.8 mm) tall, closes snugly and includes a modesty panel behind closure. Collar edges are closed with two eye hooks. There are code cylinder pockets on both outside panels of the jacket from about half way between the top and bottom on the arm hole. Sleeves are long, and without decoration, cuffs or buttons, containing 2 seams, one along the bottom and one along the back. Tunic is constructed with no top-stitching (stitches visible on the exterior surface of fabric) Fasteners on the uniform should not be visible.  
OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): There is a dart in the top center of the yoke. Dart should extend slightly past code cylinder pockets. There is a seam running the entire circumference of the tunic, dividing it along a line hidden by the uniform belt. The back of the tunic has princess seams that run vertically and turns outward to intersect the arm-hole seam at the vertical center.  
OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): Tunic must be secured on the right side by snaps or buttons, not Velcro.  
   
Rank Bar   Worn on the left side of the tunic over the heart. Rank consists of colored plastic tiles mounted on a single or double metal or metal looking bar. The bar is approximately 1" (25.4 mm) height. Rank tile dimensions are approximately 1/2" (12.7 mm) width x 3/4" (19 mm) height x 1/8" (3.2 mm) deep. - This is the OT size., the correct larger tiles are also acceptable. Tiles are mounted with approximately 3.5 mm spaces between them. Rank tiles are translucent, rectangular,  positioned side by side in a vertical orientation, and evenly spaced. Rank tile configuration may be from any licensed source however ranks specific to A New Hope only are not applicable.  
OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Rank consists of colored plastic push buttons mounted on a metal bar. Rank tiles are the larger Rogue One/Solo style (approximately 15 mm wide, 21 mm tall, and 3.2 mm deep).  
OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable):
Rank is chosen from Rogue One or Solo or The mandolorian.    
Code Cylinders Between 0 to 2 per costume may be worn.. Rod style: machined aluminum rod with flaring disc detail at top Dosimeter style: True Dosimeter with correct clip and blue top. Alternate Style: Silver clip with no blue top. If only one is worn, it is on the left side.  
OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Only real or replica dosimeters with silver toned clips or aluminum rod style are used.  
OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable):
Code cylinder combination must match chosen rank.  
 
 
   
Belt The belt is constructed from a non-textured leather or a leather-like material. Approximately 2" (50.8 mm) in width, up to 3" (76.2 mm) is acceptable. There are no loops on the belt. A single large snap or rivet is visible approximately 1" (25.4 mm) from the buckle. The belt may be worn with the snap to the right or left of the wearer. The buckle is constructed from a horizontally brushed metal, or metal looking material. The buckle size is approximately 2 5/8" (66.7 mm) high and 4 1/8" (104.5 mm) wide with 0.5" (12.7 mm) radius rounded corners. Buckle is adorned with an Imperial Code Disk at the center. Please refer to the Imperial Buckle reference page for information on accurate and inaccurate style buckles.  
OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Belt is made of leather. Snap is worn to the left of the wearer. Code disk matches anthology films. Buckle has a slight horizontal curve.  
OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable):
Belt has grooves 1/4" form the top and bottom edges.  
   
Jodhpur Trousers, black Fabric is a medium weight suiting material exactly matching the tunic and hat. Gabardine style weave is most accurate. Flared riding breeches are canon. Breeches must be worn with boots. Pockets are acceptable, although they are not visible with the tunic on.  
Officer Boots Knee-high, black, riding style, lace-less, smooth non-textured, leather or leather-like material. There are no buckles, snap tabs or decoration. Boots have conservative heels. A single stretch panel or zipper may be present, they are to be hidden on the inner part of the boot shaft. Not visible from the front, side or back. The top of the boots may be flat or Spanish Style, but not Cowboy or Super Hero (pointed at the front) style.  
OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Boots do not have stretch panels or a zipper.  
OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): Boots are made of leather. Exact replicas of English riding (dress) boots/ Equestrian boots or German marching boots. Boots may have top adjustment strap on the outside of the boots. Strap is set slightly to the rear.  
  Optional Accessories Items below are optional costume accessories. These items are not required for approval, but if present appear as described below. If adding in an accessory after initial approval, the item still needs to be submitted to local GML for approval before use.
 
Rain Poncho Made of a black, water sheeting polyester or nylon material. The closure is located at the costumers right side. The collar overlaps and the opening is approximately 2.5 inches on the shoulder, going down vertically to the bottom of the yoke. The yoke is flush against the costumer and has a seam down the front center, this ends in a point. The edge of the poncho has approximately 1 inch seam around all edges. The collar is approximately 3 inches tall at the front and is top stitched with lines approximately every 1/4 inch. The back of the poncho is flat across the back. The poncho voids at the edge of the costumers shoulders. The front of the poncho has a piece attached to the yoke but separate from the sides The front extends down to just past the crotch area and is tucked in to the costumer's belt. There is a code cylinder pocket in which two code cylinders are worn.  
 
Trenchcoat Made of a medium-weight waterproof fabric that is black; fabric has a matte finish. Two flares at the breast overlap and close in the front, left breast over right. The collar continues around the neck and is approximately 3.5 inches wide. The inner facing of the upper collar may be of darker fabric but is not required. A seam runs down the arm on the outside, it begins at the costumers collar. Two inch long cuffed sleeves with a single button towards the end of the cuff. The cuff "strap" ends in a chevron shape. On the back the storm shield has a pinch pleat at the top center of the shoulders. The coat ends mid-calf and is straight cut along the bottom edge. The coat below the belt has a split seam in the back. Two pocket flaps may appear at the costumer's hip, but are not required; if present, there should be no visible pocket stitching. The coat is worn belted with the standard leather officer's belt or loose.  
 
Belt Boxes Dimensions are approximately  2" (50,8mm) wide by 3" (76.2 mm) tall by 1" x  (25,4mm) thick Two boxes to be worn vertically, one each on either side of the belt buckle.  
OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Belt boxes should include a lid on back of the box. Belt boxes are made of metal.  
OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): Belt box, code cylinder, and rank badge configuration is consistent with one another.  
 
Gloves
Black, wrist length gloves constructed of a non-textured leather or leather-like material. Enclosed fingers. No buckles, straps, etc. May have three stitched lines on the back of the hand.  
SE-14R Light Repeating Blaster
The barrel detailing is evident with the cocking lever and slider in place. The ejection port is also evident. The scope mount looks similar to the magazine but smaller in size. The scope does not protrude past the blaster body.  
Holster. Made of black leather or leather-like material.  
OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): Holster is affixed via a single loop over the belt. Holster is made of leather. OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable): Holster matches reference image.

We also see a “staff officer” piloting a Gozanti.  Get ready for the JRS to try and poach   

We also see a “staff officer” piloting a Gozanti.  Get ready for the JRS to try and poach   

Do3d have the armour and helmet for 3d printing.  Theyre on my "to do list" so cant comment as to how they come out.
 
https://www.do3d.com/product-page/agent-kallus-star-wars-rebels-helmet-chest-armor-3d-model-project-494-1

Isnt "staff officer" just a designation that the 501st came up with years ago for a uniform that we now know never actually existed on screen?
LFL refers to the black uniformed officers as "Security Officers" and therefore all the references will refer to that.  Makes sense for us to follow suit. 

Isnt "staff officer" just a designation that the 501st came up with years ago for a uniform that we now know never actually existed on screen?
LFL refers to the black uniformed officers as "Security Officers" and therefore all the references will refer to that.  Makes sense for us to follow suit. 

The visual guide refers to Lt Putna as a “librarian-turned-security-officer”, so why not just called the black uniformed R1/Solo CRL “Security Officer (R1/Solo)”? It helps makes a clear delineation between the OT and the Anthology uniforms.