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Sorry, Tom, but saying any named officer needs a CRL then saying not every named officer needs a CRL in the same post sounds too much like a double standard. That doesn't sit right with me. What is unique about the costume to warrant a separate CRL? Truly unique. There isn't much in my eyes. To do a named character has always been to base the Executor and Imperator certification on the character. every CRL in the legion has something unique about them. Something that sets them apart from others. Unfortunately, there isn't anything unique about most officer costumes. That isn't the fault of the IOC. That is by design of the costume department of the production.
 
After reading the progress on this multiple times and maybe this should be an extended conversation elsewhere, but from what I'm reading it's seeming more and more that this conversation is less and less about the actual costume and more about the fact that the character is female. Which bothers me. When did we start including gender into the creation of a new CRL?
 
Maybe it's because I'm a male but I have never seen any backlash over female CRL's. The principle that has been for IOC CRL creations has always been based on unique details in a character's costume. Director Isard for example. A very unique costume due to the red tunic and trousers. Then there's Thrawn and the Rebel's Thrawn compared to other GAs. Again, unique compared to others. Dedra Meero getting her own CRL just because she's female is sexist.
 
The 501st as a whole should not start the precedent of judging the person's appearance or gender. Only the costume and how it fits on the body. That is all and how it always should be. That's why we have a female as the CRL for the Rebels Era Thrawn right? Gender equality should always be present, but we shouldn't arbitrarily favor one over the other. If there truly is something unique in the costume by all means please find it, hunt it down, bring it to light and write the CRL and I'll rejoice as hard as anyone because I love to see new CRLs completed and hard work rewarded. But let's do it right first.
 
Please someone correct me if I'm wrong or if I misunderstand something... and please don't misunderstand my opposition for discrimination. Sexual discrimination disturbs me greatly.

Sorry, Tom, but saying any named officer needs a CRL then saying not every named officer needs a CRL in the same post sounds too much like a double standard. That doesn't sit right with me. What is unique about the costume to warrant a separate CRL? Truly unique. There isn't much in my eyes. To do a named character has always been to base the Executor and Imperator certification on the character. every CRL in the legion has something unique about them. Something that sets them apart from others. Unfortunately, there isn't anything unique about most officer costumes. That isn't the fault of the IOC. That is by design of the costume department of the production.
 
After reading the progress on this multiple times and maybe this should be an extended conversation elsewhere, but from what I'm reading it's seeming more and more that this conversation is less and less about the actual costume and more about the fact that the character is female. Which bothers me. When did we start including gender into the creation of a new CRL?
 
Maybe it's because I'm a male but I have never seen any backlash over female CRL's. The principle that has been for IOC CRL creations has always been based on unique details in a character's costume. Director Isard for example. A very unique costume due to the red tunic and trousers. Then there's Thrawn and the Rebel's Thrawn compared to other GAs. Again, unique compared to others. Dedra Meero getting her own CRL just because she's female is sexist.
 
The 501st as a whole should not start the precedent of judging the person's appearance or gender. Only the costume and how it fits on the body. That is all and how it always should be. That's why we have a female as the CRL for the Rebels Era Thrawn right? Gender equality should always be present, but we shouldn't arbitrarily favor one over the other. If there truly is something unique in the costume by all means please find it, hunt it down, bring it to light and write the CRL and I'll rejoice as hard as anyone because I love to see new CRLs completed and hard work rewarded. But let's do it right first.
 
Please someone correct me if I'm wrong or if I misunderstand something... and please don't misunderstand my opposition for discrimination. Sexual discrimination disturbs me greatly.

Sorry, Tom, but saying any named officer needs a CRL then saying not every named officer needs a CRL in the same post sounds too much like a double standard. That doesn't sit right with me. What is unique about the costume to warrant a separate CRL? Truly unique. There isn't much in my eyes. To do a named character has always been to base the Executor and Imperator certification on the character. every CRL in the legion has something unique about them. Something that sets them apart from others. Unfortunately, there isn't anything unique about most officer costumes. That isn't the fault of the IOC. That is by design of the costume department of the production.
 
After reading the progress on this multiple times and maybe this should be an extended conversation elsewhere, but from what I'm reading it's seeming more and more that this conversation is less and less about the actual costume and more about the fact that the character is female. Which bothers me. When did we start including gender into the creation of a new CRL?
 
Maybe it's because I'm a male but I have never seen any backlash over female CRL's. The principle that has been for IOC CRL creations has always been based on unique details in a character's costume. Director Isard for example. A very unique costume due to the red tunic and trousers. Then there's Thrawn and the Rebel's Thrawn compared to other GAs. Again, unique compared to others. Dedra Meero getting her own CRL just because she's female is sexist.
 
The 501st as a whole should not start the precedent of judging the person's appearance or gender. Only the costume and how it fits on the body. That is all and how it always should be. That's why we have a female as the CRL for the Rebels Era Thrawn right? Gender equality should always be present, but we shouldn't arbitrarily favor one over the other. If there truly is something unique in the costume by all means please find it, hunt it down, bring it to light and write the CRL and I'll rejoice as hard as anyone because I love to see new CRLs completed and hard work rewarded. But let's do it right first.
 
Please someone correct me if I'm wrong or if I misunderstand something... and please don't misunderstand my opposition for discrimination. Sexual discrimination disturbs me greatly.

The Spanish-style (curved top) equestrian boots have always been allowed, I think that's why that detail is in there.  We need to do some research for the non-Saga costumes, and see if we can confirm that NONE of the characters have Spanish-style tops on their boots, at which point I'd agree that language needs to be dropped and people will need all flat top boots.
 
Obviously we need to tweak the boot CRL to bring in the rear adjustment flap and strap, which appears to be basically the same as the ones on the German jack boots.  Previously only Krennic had boots with the adjustment strap, if memory serves.  Meanwhile, no one seeking L3 approval with accurate boots is going to be turned down, whether the CRL has been updated or not.
 
I'd need to consult a lot more resources on removing the belly seam for Meero, though.
 
As to whether Meero gets an individual face character CRL, that remains to be seen, but current leaning is no.  It's not a unique costume in any way, it's the standard IOC uniform, just a tad more tailored as you'd expect for a lead character.  IOC leadership has been saying for at least 6 years now, through multiple rounds of staffing, that Tarkin really shouldn't have a dedicated CRL, and if it was to be redone in recent memory, he would not have had one.  They're all officers with standard uniform variations.  (To be clear we have no intention of messing with any of the OT CRLs... Tarkin is safe!  But we don't need to repeat those mistakes with new ones.)

Scott "Squadleader" 6641 Rozema, requesting an advisor in Grand Rapids, MI area. Great Lakes Garrison for help with Imperial Security Services officer.  

Hey there, Maggie "MaggsO" Oelfke requesting an advisor in the Ann Arbor MI area for help with an ANH staff officer uniform. Thanks!

Just found this post in the forums; and thought to reach out.

I have a WIP Darth Maul; but looking to start easier and start and really dip my toes in with an Imperial Line Officer in the Olive Uniform.
 
I'm in San Francisco and have made contact with the local Golden Gate Garrison semi-recently; but its been a hot minute since my Darth Mail progress slowed.

Hello, I’m already a 501st member with two clone costumes. Would like help doing an Imperial Staff Officer uniform in the San Diego area. 
 
TIA Tom

Emma “cathiecat” Bergfels, requesting an advisor. Located in Tucson, AZ, USA. I am looking to do Ysanne Isard.

Yes it is lol. The zipper should be fine as long as it's concealed. Yeah those snaps are what most use to fasten the front flap.

Hello, I am requesting an advisor;
This is Alexander "BlackJade" Dalton, I am located in North Port, Florida. [United States]
I am looking for assistance with the Imperial Security Bureau Officer costume. I would say I've started the process, but only with the boots so far. Further help with the rest of the costume would be greatly appreciated.

1. Do you mean the bell shaped seam on the outside of the sleeve or the seam on the inside of the sleave? The former is required for approval and is mentioned in the CRL for the tunic. The latter is just the only known way in making a sleave.

2. The definition in regards to parts of a garment: a part of a garment that fits over the shoulders and to which the main part of the garment is attached, typically in gathers or pleats. In this case it is the U shaped curve on the top breast panel that curves around the collar and comes up to the shoulder seam.

3. Normally it is made of a medium to heavy weight suiting material. A white gabardine twill is the general preferred type of fabric.


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1. Do you mean the bell shaped seam on the outside of the sleeve or the seam on the inside of the sleave? The former is required for approval and is mentioned in the CRL for the tunic. The latter is just the only known way in making a sleave.

2. The definition in regards to parts of a garment: a part of a garment that fits over the shoulders and to which the main part of the garment is attached, typically in gathers or pleats. In this case it is the U shaped curve on the top breast panel that curves around the collar and comes up to the shoulder seam.

3. Normally it is made of a medium to heavy weight suiting material. A white gabardine twill is the general preferred type of fabric.


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I might have to adjust my dates. Lol

Hello there! Welcome to our forums. I'm sure Bob will chime in soon. He is our Detachment Leader and quite active.

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Hi there!

yes this is IOC lingo for Level 2(Executor) and Level 3(Imperator) costume approval statuses.

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As I understand it, @Imperialrebel is modifying her tunic's back to incorporate this updated information, at which point we will collect final images and prepare this CRL for submission to the LMOs.
 
Looking forward to finally getting this one out the door!

Same here! Thanks Kris!

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Always knew if anyone where to get the bottom of this it would be you, Kris! Well done mate, appreciate your dedication.

Marvellous news indeed.


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With this final bit of information, we've decided with the rest of the LMO team that this costume now has enough references to be build into a CRL

Hello IOC.
I was contacted today and LFL have finally come back to us with info on the Sith Eternal.  The back of the tunic is a straight cut, not pleated, and there are two vertical seams on the back all the way down to the bottom edge of the tunic similar to the FOSB.

I wish I could go!

I might have to adjust my dates. Lol

I might have to adjust my dates. Lol

Yup I think whatever issue has been fixed. I'm in the queue now.

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