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On 9/21/2021 at 11:19 AM, buckrogersbarker said:
If there is a licensed reference for it and the person makes it to degree of quality we expect, it should be permitted.
Not even a discussion. It is not our place to curate what we permit and what we do not.
That has already been decided by Lucasfilm LTD.I disagree, the entire CRL library is curated, thats not a bad thing in this scenario. I'm all for new crls, as long as sufficient references exist. Just because a character or costume exists, doesn't mean it automatically can become a CRL. References are needed, period. Let's not forget; if your goal is to join the Legion, the costumes we make are used for charity and community. It isn't about being that one officer who was on screen for 3 seconds or in a comic for 3 panels and going to cocktails parties. That's cool, just don't lose the plot of why we do this.
Let's get this one in the books without making it to stuffed. Believe me, as an advisor I KNOW people get confused reading these, especially new or tentative members. Tabs exist to assist people.
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15 hours ago, lantern2745 said:
I wonder if we could add a second version for the "green" uniform to the Warrant Officer CRL? That would cover the "prescreening" configuration in a logical place.
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I agree with this. Different name, but its the same costume as Warrant Officer. Just with the olive fabric.
9 hours ago, kman said:One Interesting justification I once read for the Warrant Officer is: If you ever forget your rank bar at home, or lose it partway through a troop, you can still troop in an approvable (/ approved) costume.
Agreed, I think that's a good reason to get approved as one. Hasn't happened to me yet, but when it does, at least I'm approved lol!
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Something else I want to add is just because we see it, doesn't mean it needs to be a CRL. That's just my take. Who's going to want to wear a stripped down officer essentially? I'm approved as Warrant Officer and I've never worn it. I know several other people who did the same. Why put time into making a prescreening officer CRL if there's no interest for it. Let's stick to the task at hand and get this approved first.
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6 hours ago, Mitthrawnuruodo said:
Since I was name dropped I'll just post this info and photos here...
Darth Vader (2020) #14 - Imperial aliens!To me it looks like the "Social Officer" configuration without a rank bar and many code cylinders... more or less.These Officers work in the "Prescreen Department" which seems from the story like they're filtering through production issues and contract negotiations, you know the exciting stuff!
I propose we make a 'prescreening officer' CRL. Adding all this info into one CRL is making it too cluttered. I can foresee new members getting confused if we put too much into this crl.
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7 hours ago, snipedoc2001 said:
My two cents on this is I complete agree with it. Over at FISD, they try to find how the armor is supposed to be worn. If you look at ANH or ESB, you can see plenty of malfunctions, shoulders backwards or falling off, armor duct taped on, biceps missing cover strips, Mr. No Stripes (A TK without tube stripes on the bucket), etc. IMO the CRL should be based off how the officer is supposed to look, not how they look in a specific scene or reference material.
Chiming in as a Centurion. If our TKs were exact copies of the ones used on screen, we wouldn't make it 10 steps out of the changing space lol! There is a balance to be had between accuracy and compromise. Strapping and non visible parts typically are flexible on accuracy. But something like making officer ranks bars optional shouldn't be on the table in my opinion. I recommend making a warrant officer if you don't want a rank bar lol.
Rank bars need to remain
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I like pointing my blaster at the camera!
If you dont have a blaster, just hold up your fist! Nothing beats the classic fist pose!
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Listen to Kalani, he knows his stuff.
I can second crowsprops and philo, great makers!
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Congrats again Lauren! It was a pleasure being your advisor!
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I wouldn't count on a year. That seems far too long.
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If they got approved for Iden they should work, the sole texturing is the only thing that concerns me. It's up to your GML, so I would shoot them an email.
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2 hours ago, shadan said:
Ok I shouldn’t have made the Twitter comment as it’s been taken more seriously than I intended. Although I did tweet something out ‘in the blind’ (ie without tagging any individuals or anything like that) I never thought of it as a legitimate means of contact nor that anyone concerned would actually see it or respond. So I’m sorry about that.
I probably have been rather hot-headed about this whole thing but only because it’s so frustrating. I do apologise.I’ve watched the thread from the start with my only involvement has been the occasional “Looks great!” comment (I think?) until recently.
I do feel as though all the points made by the LMO were followed from the start only to have the rug pulled out from under the IOCs feet at the very end.
To say my frustration is due to the new administration, new standards etc is incorrect as, like many people have pointed out, the new administration doesn’t appear to have been consistent themselves.
I would not have an issue if this was denied if the same standards were applied evenly. Honestly. I love that we have standards. I love that we look as though we walked out of the movie screen.But this can often go too far and stray into elitism and delusions of grandeur.
We’re a costuming club. We’re meant to do some good in society, be welcoming of new members, make friends across the world and have fun.This isn’t fun. This is, in my opinion, petty bickering and semantics.
The mostly negative way that many people in the world have responded to TROS (and it’s it’s NOT all people, just the more vocal ones) we know we’re unlikely to get anymore references which means nobody can do this costume. Ever.And I think that’s quite sad.
I want to stress that do not want to make this costume for myself so this is not personal. But I would hate for others to be denied from doing it if they wish to do so.
Can’t we just update the CRL if and when new references come to light of any changes are required? Like has happened time and time again since the beginning of the Legion?
I'm genuinely curious, what CRLs did the LMOs pass unfairly that is leading everyone to believe this isn't fair?
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8 hours ago, Tutanchseth said:
Sorry to say that, but if you read the complete creation of this CRL, you shouldn't have used the wording "half baked" in this context. It's a well researched costume based on all accessible references. The only thing not covered by references is the lower back. I personally raised this concern, but I'm fine with the approach Steph used. Should it be a showstopper then? Neither the written process demands references for all details nor did the handling of other CRLs by the LMOs indicate that.
We/someone could reach out to Stella Atkinson (the assistant costume designer and name giver for the rankband) to get more information as Glynn Dilon suggested she could know more as I asked him via Twitter about the rankband last year (he deleted his replies). But I can't find any contact of her.Half baked my have been a little much, and I apologize. But it doesn't change that fact that your missing key references, that isn't the LMOs fault. Maybe in the past LMOs have approved crls with less reference, but this is a new LMO team, and a new administration. It wouldn't surprise me if they were trying to make CRL approvals a little more hard to get approved, in a good way.
Im fine if people reach out to the prop makers, its worth a shot.
10 hours ago, shadan said:I don’t have a horse in this race mate. I’m not doing one of these costumes.
But I do want to see fairness and consistency in this process and that has not been the case.
I don't ethier, I'm never going to make this costume.
Like I said above though, new administration, new team, new standards. Hence the reason you feel a lack of consistency. Perfectly understandable.
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2 hours ago, shadan said:
Only via Twitter in an attempt to put an end to this idiotic situation
The only reason you think this situation is idiotic is because you didn't get your way and you have a right to feel that way. If you really think about it, LMO's have no incentive to shutdown CRLs, they're only doing their jobs to make sure half baked CRLs don't go out.
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6 minutes ago, kman said:
The Solo navy trooper has back photos. I screencapped them myself and added them to the relevant thread. The confirm what the costume designer said. I don't think that particular costume is relevant to this discussion.
I realize now that it isn't. Nor is the mountain trooper. The main discussion seems to have moved over to the 501st boards.
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19 minutes ago, AJ1990 said:
There’s still no visual confirmation one way or the other on that. Those words taken by themselves can still have a hundred different visual representations.Those are words taken from the guy that worked on Solo costume, I would say the he's reputable. He's also the only reason thsts able to become a CRL. Without him you lack references.
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53 minutes ago, AJ1990 said:
Solo movie navy trooper.
Galaxy’s edge mountain trooper.
Go research those crls and tell me this one really has been given a fair go.I stand corrected on the Solo navy trooper. Apparently a propmaker confirmed that the back piece was ground grew but filled in.
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26 minutes ago, AJ1990 said:
Solo movie navy trooper.
Galaxy’s edge mountain trooper.
Go research those crls and tell me this one really has been given a fair go.The Solo navy trooper should have never been green lit, I don't even know if the whole LMO team looked at it at the time. It too has no back shots and the maker is currently guessing that the backplate is ground crew. I would highly suggest the new LMO team looks into that CRL as well.
As for the mountain trooper that was solely based off an action figure. This is a movie character that is pulling from other sources to try to fill the gaps.
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5 minutes ago, AJ1990 said:
LEGO also has creative license to fit within their mini figure selection. Accuracy has NEVER been legos selling point, so therefore should NEVER be considered as such.
I put this picture forward a while back as a joke, because I knew then that this costume was never going to be given the fair go it deserves.How has it not been given a fiar go? Were missing important shots of the costume. That isn't the LMOs fault.
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32 minutes ago, Paggeldiwwer said:
Is there a written rule in the Guidelines for character approval that clearly denies Lego-Figures? Ain't a Lego-Figure an Action-Figure? Isn't it licenced by LFL? Didn't they use official reference at Lego?
No there is no written rule. But I can almost garentee that none of the LMOs will allow a Lego figure to be used as a reference. Lego figures are almost never accurate because they aren't supposed to be. Its up to the LMO in the end.
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13 minutes ago, Paggeldiwwer said:
Lego figures cannot be used as reference. I tried to make the same argument a year ago with another costume and it got shut down.
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This is quite the conundrum, however I agree with the LMO team on this one. I'm getting a kick out of people saying certain LMO's don't understand these costumes, they do. From what I've seen, most of these LMO's have worked on far more complex costumes. At the end of the day, it's just looking at photos and writing details into a CRL; they understand these costumes.
I've been following this build since it started. While staff may have never been notified about the decision that this wasn't going to be a CRL, we should have seen it coming. We knew early on that we lacked reference photos. Stephanie and others have done a terrific job, but surely they knew the risk of this not becoming a CRL due to lack of reference. Silver lining, they have an awesome costume they can wear to cons now! We have the same issue with the Solo Navy trooper and grey ANH officer, very little refences, yet people are working on a CRL, someone should warn them it may not happen. I think as a group we need to start tempering our expectations, just because its on screen for a few shots doesn't mean it will become a CRL, we need more references! The 501st is a club that follows strict standards, its our claim to fame. We have to follow the references to uphold our reputation, or we risk tarnishing it.
One argument I've been seeing is we should put out what we have and if we get new photos, we'll update the CRL; that's a slippery slope. If we start publishing half baked CRLs, the standards will keep dropping for every CRL after.
That's just my two cents.
Imperial Military Officer (Non-Saga), green
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Admittedly, I didn't flesh out my point fully, plus it turned into a rant on my part. Just like you, I understand what it's like to spend time and money on this club. I'm not just an officer, I'm a snowie, TK, and currently working on ESB Fett. Which aside from an officer or two, will be my last costume for a while lol. You went that extra step and got those references for your character, I'm fine with that. I start to take issue when we lack references. When myself or someone else points out that references are lacking for a particular CRL here on the IOC, we get backlash. You're the former DL of FISD, I don't need to explain to you how well CRLs were devolved over on White Armor, pages of references for every approved CRL. That seems to be the trend for the detachments I'm apart of. It's the same here for existing CRLs, but lately the idea is, if you see it, you can make it. I don't take issue with that, but people need to have multiple references. I want as many CRLs as possible, more choices, but they need to be made properly to maintain Legion standards. Now I'm sure we can start a whole thread based on legion standards, but for the sake of my argument, here's my stance: I think most CRLs are in good place right now, not just IOC's. Most CRLs aren't to intensive but you also have to put some work into your outfit to get approved. Standards are good, it's part of the reason the Legion is well know. Our TKs were used as stand ins for The Mandalorian, that says something. Hypothetically, If FISD were to make Centurion standard required for basic, I would take issue with that as well, that's extreme.
But I really want to emphasize my point because my words have been twisted. I'm arguing for this process to be done correctly, not less CRLs! I want to see new CRLs like Eli Vanto, but lets do it right. Give him his own CRL because his uniform does have different stitching from screen used. This leads me to my next point, translation. Can a comic officer configuration be used with screen accurate parts? I would say no, some people here will say yes. Make a comic CRL for those configurations I say. Applying that logic of some; would you be ok with ANH TKs using comic blasters or accessories? That's what happening here.
As for this line officer CRL, I fear its getting too cluttered. Picture this, a GML gets three line officer apps. One doesn't have a hat, one doesn't have a rank bar or cylinders, and the last one is dressed to current standards; hat, rank bar, cylinders and all. That GML is going to be confused and probably will assume the first two are missing parts. If people want a warrant officer with the green uniform, lets make that it's own CRL! If people want a Sullustan officer, make that named character its own CRL. We shouldn't be afraid of too many CRLs. Look at CTD, they have clones for days! Again, I also foresee new members getting confused with too many options in one CRL. This is coming from experience of being an Advisor here, people get confused with the current CRLs. You have so much experience as well, I'm sure you understand where I'm coming from.
As for my charity comments, I would still argue that charity is one of the cornerstones of the club. It's charity and costuming. Were the bad guys doing good, were constantly referred to as that. Although yes, costuming is the other cornerstone of the club, I agree. But I would encourage members who only attended non charity events, to attempt to attend one or two charity events. I've been to a range of events now, I think I'm at 120 troops, the charity troops are my favorite personally! That was ranting on my part, I shouldn't have brought that up so I apologize.
I've never heard a staff officer uniform being referred to as a security service uniform, I'm a staff officer with a poncho. Staff officers have been in Star wars since 77. The guys with Krennic were just staff and line officers with black ponchos. So I don't see your point.
I'm bowing out of this thread, unless I feel like chiming in on the CRL again. I agree, this derailed a little. I apologize for bringing detachment politics into it, that was unnecessary. I would be happy to continue this discussion elsewhere like DMs or a new thread. Just wanted to get my last two cents in.