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    New CRL starter thread for the Imperial Tech (The Bad Batch)

    in New CRLs

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    Ladies and gentlemen, 

     

    The LMOs have granted the Imperial Gunnery Corps detachment this kit. Not a big surprise for most people I'm sure.

     

    I would head over there if you want to make this. Drew is a wonderful detachment leader who is willing to work with anyone! 

     

    The IGC doesn't get as many new costumes as us. It's not anti-ioc to recognize this. Its about fairness and unity with other detachments. We're actually very fortunate at the IOC, to get many new costumes every year!

     

    So lets be happy for the wonderful wholesome people at the IGC, instead of sour. If you want to make this, look at it as a new opportunity to meet new people in the IGC! At the end of the day, we make these for charity and community service! One legion, one goal! 

    Moff Gideon Season 3 - CRL Development

    in New CRLs

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    33 minutes ago, whitmers said:

    I'll keep eyes on both spots. I just registered on the spec ops detachment page, and while I don't necessarily want to keep eyes on a 4th 501st forum, I will  if necessary. I personally hope it lands here, but that is above my station in this regard.

    It's a wise move. Spec Ops has more hard armor experts, so you'll be better assisted there for the hard parts.

     

    Nothing wrong with being apart of multiple detachments, it gives you a better understanding of the Legion!

     

    You are entitled to your beliefs of course! I know that no matter where it lands, you'll do a great job!

     

    Im sending you a PM on Facebook, so keep an eye out!

    Moff Gideon Season 3 - CRL Development

    in New CRLs

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    34 minutes ago, buckrogersbarker said:

    But that is water over the bridge.  Once the LMOs made their decision, that was it.

    Oh please, we both know that is FAR from the truth. What did you want to call it again? Imperial Army Trooper Detachment? Didn't get your CRLs so you boycotted for a whole new detachment. "stronger together!" As your staff puts it. We demonstrate this by trying to steal established CRLs from other detachments because we didn't get our way!

     

    34 minutes ago, buckrogersbarker said:

      If a member brings a costume here, I will take it to the LMOs.  Not kill it in the crib because of a personal notion of what should be in this detachment.  The days of the staff rejecting a costume because of personal preferences are over.  

    Yeah, it's not a personal notion. It's common sense. I understand a dark trooper, is not an officer CRL. You claim to be the upmost Star Wars expert. Yet you think gunners and dark troopers are officers now?!

     

    Stop attacking the staffs before yours, its toxic and not very representative of "stronger together". The detachment was never as divided as it is now. So the idea your pedaling, that the IOC was actually worse before you, is utter nonsense.

    Moff Gideon Season 3 - CRL Development

    in New CRLs

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    4 hours ago, buckrogersbarker said:

    I will say this again and it is the policy of this detachment.  A member wants to do a costume, they collect reference photos, we submit them to the LMO.  The LMO are the traffic controller for the legion determining where things go.  THEY have that authority, not me and not you.  

     

    If a DL here does not take a members request forward to the LMO, they are exceeding their authority.

     

    Ah yes. They have the authority. Given the fact that you are declaring the LMOs are the authority for where crls go, does this mean you are admitting you should not get mad when their vote isn’t in your favour? 

     

    Also several officer CRLs are in other detachments because of what they wear. Veers, General Weir, Sunber, Hask has his officer crl and his inferno crl. 

     

    I'm not trying to intentionally step on toes, he says in the show he's wearing dark trooper armor. Last time I checked IOC doesn't house dark troopers. Or gunners for that matter.

     

    Whitmers, will do a great job as always. I know Spec Ops members want this CRL. It was more of a suggestion for him to go over and see if there's more development or people he can collaborate with. 

    New CRL starter thread for the Imperial Tech (The Bad Batch)

    in New CRLs

    Posted

    14 hours ago, chicken45 said:

    Maybe, but you ran for IOC DETACHMENT LEADER.  Being a DL means you advocate for the IOC when it makes sense . And, it makes sense. The only part that's NOT officer is the helmet. 

     

    Irrelevant, but if you paid attention to my campaign, I ran on detachment unity. That means working with them and negotiating and not isolating the IOC. We're not in good standing right now with the other detachments due to poor decision-making and anti "stronger together" policy. This certainly isn't helping the IOC's case.

     

    14 hours ago, chicken45 said:

    And, it makes sense. The only part that's NOT officer is the helmet. 

    Boots, riding breeches, trunic, rank badge, belt, gloves... that's 6 out of 7 parts.

    The IOC has a strong claim to this. 

    Basically this is an officer with a gunner helmet. 

     

     

    Are we going to pretend that all those parts besides the tunics aren't used in other detachments? The belt alone is in several detachments: Spec Ops, JRS, ICG to name a few. Rank Bars are in Spec ops, ACD, BF. The pants are just the lower half of the jumpsuit with flares. The jumpsuit is used on other CRLs, not in the IOC. 

     

    14 hours ago, chicken45 said:

    What happens if we see one of those army Aldhani troopers with a navy trooper helmet? Where would you put that?

     

    I can tell you what I wouldn't do. Protest for a whole new detachment because I didn't get my way. Army troopers are long established Spec Ops CRLs. You can't just try to steal the current ones for the IOC. Another great "stronger togher" policy from your leader. Since these troopers are established, it only makes sense that the Andor troopers go to Spec Ops.

     

    14 hours ago, chicken45 said:

    What about Shadow Stormtroopers and Shadow scouts?

    Why are they in Spec Ops instead of FISD and Pathfinders? 

    Is it branding? White armor (dot net) only? Aren't they mostly the same and just a different color? Why is Phasma there? She's chrome! Put her in Spec Ops!! 

     

    1) Special forces, hence Spec Ops. 

    2)Phasma was just a TK with a high rank, not special forces. Hence FISD.

    New CRL starter thread for the Imperial Tech (The Bad Batch)

    in New CRLs

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    8 hours ago, buckrogersbarker said:

    good fighting for the IOC there.  Officer boots, breeches, belt, tunic, rank badge, gloves....  But the helmet makes it belong to someone else. 

    Automatically hand it to other detachments.  And maybe it should go there after a discussion, but the leadership of this detachment (and the future leadership) should never automatically roll over for other detachments.  The members of this detachment need an advocate.

    I fight for all the detachments and work with them. I'll advocate for the IOC when the IOC needs advocating for. But don't pretend a gunner is an IOC costume, you know better.

     

    Also we don't own boots, gloves, belt or the cargo pants. Plenty other detachments use those. Even the rank bar is used in other detachments.

     

    Also thank for proving my point bud! 

    New CRL starter thread for the Imperial Tech (The Bad Batch)

    in New CRLs

    Posted

    4 hours ago, chicken45 said:

    Legion logic is all over the place. 

    I know they try to put things where they make sense in the canon. I think there is merit to putting things where the experts are...gunners know their own helmets. But Officers know the rest of the uniform. I also think there is merit in placing a costume in a place where it won't go into mothballs. (I am not suggesting that any detachment is doing that, so chill, and don't @ me!)

     

    The metric I'm using is that this character is wearing a gunner helmet, which is the literal logo of IGC. Also, they already have the Imperial Weapons Tech CRL, which is nearly identical to this one in terms of the overall design—Gunner helmet, grey outfit, etc. 

     

    An officer tunic is the only officer exclusive part of this. You don't need experts for that item because tunics are readily available. 

     

    4 hours ago, chicken45 said:

    I think dual detachment costumes are the way to go. I don't know why there's pushback on that. It hurts literally nobody and it can be encouraging and advantageous for someone to join two detachments.

    I never understood why each detachment MUST BE its own silo.

     

    There's no pushback for the reasons you think they are because or because it's a bad idea. It's all technical. Dual affiliation requires a lot of backend tech work and would consume a lot of time. Going through 30000 approved kits to update detachment affiliation would be challenging. Most people only use the detachment for merch runs and kit assistance. The active users that would appreciate the feature are a minority. Is it worth the time? I don't think so, personally.  

     

    The system we have right now is fine; if it aint broke, don't fix it. 

     

    4 hours ago, chicken45 said:

    BF has AT AT commanders and AT ST drivers.

     

    ACD, not Blizzard Force.

     

    4 hours ago, chicken45 said:

    We are stronger together. 


    That is a good message, but not everyone on your staff believes that. People here treat the IOC as the best detachment in the legion; every other detachment is beneath the IOC. (I guess that's a fitting attitude for officers) There is nothing wrong with detachment pride, but once you start trying to steal CRLs from other detachments or being rude towards other detachment members or staffers, you're an elitist. Not saying you are, but again, there are people here and on the IOC staff that take this way too seriously, those people need to do a reality check. Plastic spaceman club, not the actual Empire. 

     

    When you start stepping on other detachments' toes, you only create anger in this group. That has happened here and it flies in the face of stronger together. 

     

    4 hours ago, chicken45 said:

    But why do we have people here in the IOC advocating for costumes to go somewhere else when we have just as much a claim as other detachment?

    Because, as you said, we are stronger together. I'm a member of multiple detachments and will advocate for them equally. We dont have a claim to this. They wear gunner helmets. Let's stop picking fights with other detachments, please. Andor and Mando have given us plenty of new officer things. Don't pretend a tech wearing a gunner helmet belongs in the IOC, when the ICG already has a similar CRL.

     

    If people here think this belongs in the IOC, consider this. The ICG has six CRLs; we have close to 50. They rarely get new characters to create. Time to put your money where your mouth is. This is stronger together. The ICG deserves this CRL, not the IOC.

    Dedra Meero CRL?

    in New CRLs - Completed

    Posted

    1 hour ago, Theblueguy808 said:

     

     

    Sorry, Tom, but saying any named officer needs a CRL then saying not every named officer needs a CRL in the same post sounds too much like a double standard. That doesn't sit right with me. What is unique about the costume to warrant a separate CRL? Truly unique. There isn't much in my eyes. To do a named character has always been to base the Executor and Imperator certification on the character. every CRL in the legion has something unique about them. Something that sets them apart from others. Unfortunately, there isn't anything unique about most officer costumes. That isn't the fault of the IOC. That is by design of the costume department of the production.

     

    After reading the progress on this multiple times and maybe this should be an extended conversation elsewhere, but from what I'm reading it's seeming more and more that this conversation is less and less about the actual costume and more about the fact that the character is female. Which bothers me. When did we start including gender into the creation of a new CRL?

     

    Maybe it's because I'm a male but I have never seen any backlash over female CRL's. The principle that has been for IOC CRL creations has always been based on unique details in a character's costume. Director Isard for example. A very unique costume due to the red tunic and trousers. Then there's Thrawn and the Rebel's Thrawn compared to other GAs. Again, unique compared to others. Dedra Meero getting her own CRL just because she's female is sexist.

     

    The 501st as a whole should not start the precedent of judging the person's appearance or gender. Only the costume and how it fits on the body. That is all and how it always should be. That's why we have a female as the CRL for the Rebels Era Thrawn right? Gender equality should always be present, but we shouldn't arbitrarily favor one over the other. If there truly is something unique in the costume by all means please find it, hunt it down, bring it to light and write the CRL and I'll rejoice as hard as anyone because I love to see new CRLs completed and hard work rewarded. But let's do it right first.

     

    Please someone correct me if I'm wrong or if I misunderstand something... and please don't misunderstand my opposition for discrimination. Sexual discrimination disturbs me greatly.

    I appreciate you feedback, but respectfully, I do think you misunderstood my post above. 

     

    The main reason I think she should have a CRL is not because she's a woman. Its because she's the main antagonist in the Andor series. What I meant is that not every background officer with one or no lines needs a CRL. But if they are a main character, I believe that's enough to warrant a CRL. Again, Dedra is not a background character, she's the main villain of the show and probably will be for the next season. That's why myself and others believe she needs a CRL. 

     

    As a stated a few post above, we recently had a few members voice that the IOC CRLs were not diverse enough, its a public post. While it doesn't specifically address the issue raised in the post, having a Dedra CRL would help the situation I believe, however, it was not my only reason for her have a CRL. I don't like sexual discrimination either, I assure you of that. But I fail to see how providing more representation equals discrimination. I pointed out that Dedra is a the first onscreen female lead officer in a Star Wars IP, that's a true statement and only one of my points.

     

    We're now also learning her uniform is designed differently. This hasn't stopped us in the past. ANH Staff and Non Saga Staff are the same thing with different stitching. Which is totally fine! 

     

    This whole discussion started because someone wanted to make a Dedra CRL and they were denied. No one should be opposed to more CRLs. Just look at the Clone Trooper Detachment, they'll make a new CRL for minor variations and that's totally fine! The more the merrier! At the end of the day, I just want more CRLs. Yes, they need to be done right with proper references, I agree. I believe Dedra deserves one for multiple reason, not just because she's a female. 

     

    Yes, I would be open to continuing this conversion elsewhere. 

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