Rhaethe
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To be clear:
A "generic" FO General based off of Hux is fine, and what was done.
A "generic" FO officer of any other rank based off of Hux is a no-go at this time. Non generals on screen have different uniforms than Hux / Generals. Ep8 may show something different, who knows.
This kept getting conflated in conversations on the topic, unfortunately, and is perhaps why some folks got confused and checked out. However, as the LMO assigned to help the IOC shepherd their CRL's, I've been quite clear with folks on what CRL's needing working on and in which priority.
So far, since the beginning of term (March as you say) IOC CRL's that have been published include Pryce, FO Gen, and very soon, CW Animated Tarkin. And four other CRL's about to start the publishing process (Erso, R1-ISB edits, Rebels Thrawn, Krennic edits and new accessories).
That is a fair amount of work in just 2 months. Especially in an all-volunteer organization. To be fair
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A case could be made for inclusion in the IOC based upon the precedent of the "Imperial Navy Troopers" being included.
A case could be made for inclusion in the ACD based upon costume piece / function similarity with AT-ST Driver.
IF the costume is made into a CRL (still not guaranteed) LMO Team will work with both ACD and IOC to determine best placement.
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On 4/6/2017 at 5:18 PM, Rhaethe said:
My take on progress so far:
Of the two prototypes published in this thread ... cut and look are both good.
Fabric for the uniform should be twill.
Colors. Colors of the patch need (as said) to match the uniform. The colors of the uniform that Ruud has posted are exceptionally close to reference material. And I double checked this with others on the LMO team ... and one even did some woojoo with color pull sampling from the images posted.
Olive tones. Olive tones are good.
I might wish that Ruud's suit was slightly darker, to match the rain soaked dark appearance of Erso on Eadu. But that is not a stopper.
The collar should be super firm tightly closed, no gapping of any sort. Angelus, good job on that.
Both of you ... cheers! Loving the work so far.
Bump nudging this topic. How close are we to thinking we have a finished suit that fits the bill?
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From what I have been able to gather, some folks put in visible darts to improve fit. When they do, some GML's see the darts and do not approve the costumes. This is all, however, anecdotal, and it is hard to make a judgement call one way or another without seeing very specific examples.
My particular take is:
Very obvious seams and darts do, for good or ill, affect the visual appearance of a costume, in more ways than one. While we want the costume to fit properly and well, we also do not want to change it visibly or structurally (i.e. extra obvious seams, etc). Example ... the oft-complained about uniboob is not going to go away because of how the tunic itself is constructed. There is a placket that goes over the chest, tightly. Adding even invisible darts to that to allow for separating the boobs (a la the non-approved femtrooper armor, aka boob armor) would be a "No".
It is possible to place in hidden darts, and I do not see why that should be a problem for basic approval. It is more difficult to hide darts, admittedly ... but along the same lines, it is also (in my mind) difficult to hide the seams that occur when you shim armor. But people do.
In the case of boots, we do have language that says "If zippers are present, they are hidden on the inner part of the boot shaft. Not visible from the front, side or back." It is not until you get to L2 that it says No Zippers at all.
I, like our Head LMO, am against changing a CRL on a fundamental level, or building new CRL's entirely just to accommodate some over-zealous GML's, or tailors that are not inclined to take the extra steps to hide darts.
To compromise both "sides" however, language can be added to Basic Approval that states: "*Invisible or very discreet darts only as needed for better crisp fit can be allowed." and then place in L/2 "*Fitment darts must be invisible."
And honestly, that not only helps the ladies, but also anyone of not "perfect standard sizing".
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For right now, let's concentrate on Galen Erso whilst on Eadu.
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My take on progress so far:
Of the two prototypes published in this thread ... cut and look are both good.
Fabric for the uniform should be twill.
Colors. Colors of the patch need (as said) to match the uniform. The colors of the uniform that Ruud has posted are exceptionally close to reference material. And I double checked this with others on the LMO team ... and one even did some woojoo with color pull sampling from the images posted.
Olive tones. Olive tones are good.
I might wish that Ruud's suit was slightly darker, to match the rain soaked dark appearance of Erso on Eadu. But that is not a stopper.
The collar should be super firm tightly closed, no gapping of any sort. Angelus, good job on that.
Both of you ... cheers! Loving the work so far.
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I heard my name ...
I am a proud IN myself ... and love seeing us in action. That being said. Are those the only screen grabs possible?
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16 minutes ago, gmrhodes13 said:
It would be nice if a process is brought in to notify GML's when updates are made to the CRL's ;). I do check each time I am looking over a costume application but I know a lot don't.
We will be posting updates in a sticky thread on the main forums, going forward. Or will try our damndest, to.
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27 minutes ago, DarthFunk83 said:
Hmmm... I'm now wondering about my Galen Erso's Science Officer CRL proposal. I haven't looked at the Rogue One scenes closely enough at this point, but I don't know/think there is enough reference photos of certain angles of the costume, and I doubt the Science officer will be seen again. I haven't looked at the R1 special features yet either. Will have to see
Galen Erso Imperial R&D is on the docket for review to make sure it can be CRL'd.
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28 minutes ago, eliste said:
If the goal is to not be constantly updating, then what is the policy on piecemeal updating of a CRL? For instance, a number of things have been discussed for changing, but so far, the only the rank bars have been. Should we be working on the entirety or if it gets done first cape, then tunic, etc is that still ok?
My druthers are to hold all updates until they can be rolled up into one if it is suspected that there is more than one update needed. Again that whole keep things sane, thing. The aim of the "don't update all the time" thing is out of fairness to the members. I've been in the situation of creating a costume, then the specs get changed while I am in the middle and before it gets approved .... it sucks
Have also been in the situation of creating a costume and then have heard whispers of changes, so I hold off .... only for the change never to be made ... again, sucks. We want to prevent that as much as is possible. This hobby should be happy, not stressful
That being said, we do trust the detachments, as experts on the costumes, that a given new CRL that they submit is not going to need a whole bunch of updates, and trust that due diligence was taken to ensure that. A lot of the times, updates are not major, and are more of a "perfecting and fine tuning" thing that gets placed under L2 / L3, if applicable. Detachments have more latitude in updating those. It is Basic Approval things that we need not to be always changing.
Unfortunately, there have been (are?) instances where the goal is striven for ... but not met.
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Mmmmmrrrmmm ... I would caution against reading extra things into what I say on this subject
I am trying to be as clear as possible.
I dislike hypotheticals, but here goes ....
Situation A: A costume has complete references (full body front, full body rear, full body side). A CRL is created using the best information we (the collective we) have at the time. It is a complete CRL. Later, better information comes by that necessitates an update. Update process comes into play, things get updated. We try really really really hard NOT to update CRL's constantly though. It is even in the OP that we should not. So. It is why we try to put the brakes on things sometimes.
Situation B: A costume does not have complete references, but one is more than reasonably positive that more/better references will be forthcoming quickly and during the CRL construction process. A CRL can be given the go ahead, but as always there is caution that things may change during the creation process. Once it actually becomes a CRL, then as above on new infos and updating.
Situation C: A costume does not have complete references and there is doubt that more will be forthcoming in a timely manner or even at all, then, well ... no CRL.
BUT!!! All those are ultimately the Lead LMO's call to make.
Members and potential members should be cautioned to not expect a CRL to be made automatically from their proposal or even from the costume they make ... until they actually get told "Yes, this can be made into a CRL" by the LMO team. Even if it seems like a no-brainer.
As far as the Generic FO Officer and Generic FO General are concerned ... Generic FO General has been okayed as a doable CRL. Generic FO Officers are ... not "permanently no never". It's a nominal hold/no. I am currently trying to parse through some materials. The problem with that whole discussion (and I was here for those threads here) is that generic FO General and Generic FO Officer kept getting conflated and separated and conflated again. So in answer about FO Officer being on the table .. it is not now, but it could be, but I am absolutely making no promises at this exact moment in time.
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What I am asking is "is there any mindset to adjust things for the new potential costumes to build them with the best information that is available at the time?"
A good bit of what you are speaking to and/or asking is more the realm of the Lead LMO and the thoughts behind the path he has set out for the team this year. And I honestly cannot speak to what any previous team has done. I can say that this year's team is to build CRL's that are as good and as accurate as they can be with the information available at the time. If/when better information comes, then that is when the update process comes into play.
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Just now, Dimentex said:
Question on this. We have several discussions going for edits or additions to existing CRL's (Krennic to remove some of the wording that crept in specific to the model's costume and not the screen used prop, ISB due to Rogue One, Navy Trooper due to Rogue One, Bridge Crew due to harder looks at the photographs, etc). So are you saying you and/or Eric will read these discussions and make decisions outside of DL sign off, or that if/when DL signs off you'll make the decision, or a little from both (you'd read, go to DL, etc for example)?
You guys discuss, come to a decision.
Then DL signs off.
Then I and/or Eric review.
--- If we think changes to the update don't need to be made, we thumb up, and the update can be made
--- If we think changes to the update do need to be made, we discuss with DL. DL has the option of taking it back to you guys and starting discussion back up, or will make the decision on their own.
Make sense? Supposed to be communal to a certain degree.
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Friendly neighborhood LMO here, posting today about CRL's and You. What I am about to outline is not a step by step detailed thing, but rather, a high level informational post about CRL's and the path they take throughout their "lives". What we want and aim for is a set of references a person can use to craft a costume that is as close to screen / reference material as possible. That is the goal. We also need to keep consideration of our members in mind.
For new CRL's, it goes like this: a proposal is made by the detachment or member. If the member is already working with the detachment, great. If not, they get directed there. The detachment will provide the LMO with all requested reference material and proposed wording for the proposed new CRL. The LMO will review on a first pass, saying whether or not a CRL can/should be created. With that green light, work can forge forward. Please note, that is just a yes/no on whether or not the CRL can be made. No review is done on wording at that time. Once the detachment has finished its wording and collected its pictures, they submit to the LMO.
LMO reviews. LMO Team reviews. Lead LMO reviews. At each review period, expect that wording changes will take place. Expect that new, extra, different photos may be required. Then Lead LMO sends the finished product back to the DL for a thumbs up. Then, it gets published and "made green".
As for edits and updates to already existing CRL's .... they are done with almost as much multi-person involvement and sanity checking.
Once a detachment (in this case, you folks here) decide that a change should be made, that change gets posted in your designated place. LMO reviews it. LMO Team reviews it. Lead LMO reviews in some cases. Once the proposed change gets the thumbs up, THEN the change is made in Databank.
At no point is anything assured with a proposed new CRL or edit ... until it is actually published. And it only gets published after multiple reviews. This has not been, necessarily, how things worked in years past. And it is, indeed, a tightening up from last year. This is not in place to be obstructive. Rather, it is an effort to keep edits sane, transparent, and to keep everyone, including the membership at large, informed.
~C
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42 minutes ago, kman said:
Cari does great work over on the main 501st boards, so she's going to rock it over here, too. Awesome news.
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Hi there!
My name is Cari, and I am an LMO this term. One of six. My lead is Eric, a.k.a Darth Aloha. Same guy as last year, yes
He's been stuck in the Land of Crickety Internet for the past couple weeks, so has not had a chance to come here and post, but will soon, I am sure.
Each of the LMO's will be repping and caretaking one of several Detachments. The IOC is one of mine. *cheer!*
The IOC Detachment has a lot on deck this year ... from new builds to current build edits, both major and minor. Really looking forward to working with you to get these CRL's all shiny and polished.
Good to meet you
~C
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Mine gets folded flat and tucked into a safe pocket (bin or garment bag) as well.
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The list for the edits being made are here:
The entry for the ANH Warrant Officer tunic being in level 3 was a mis-edit, and shall be fixed asap.
Removing the line for ANH Warrant Officer to not wear gloves is not in the list of edits, though. With BJ's blessing, it can be put in the list. Can you post to the above thread about it, to keep things all in one spot?
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Yeah, that is what I was thinking. Will ponder
And thanks
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Hrrrngh! The suit I have now is their 2XL. The suit I actually can fit into now (I lost some weight) would be a Medium. I keep intending on getting the one I have altered, but at that price, am wondering if I should just buy the medium and be done ...
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On removing the embossed logo, I have had a decent amount of success with the following:
Get a steam iron and a towel, and do this in bathroom or kitchen
Turn on iron to steam at cotton (or other high equivalent) setting.
Place towel over embossed bit on boot
Press steam iron on area for around 1-2 minutes
Remove towel and let "air" a couple moments
Go to bathroom or kitchen sink and turn on hot tap water (let it get really hot)
Run embossed area under water 1-2 minutes
Dry with towel, applying uniform pressure
Repeat process around 5 times (may take more times)
Imperial Army Troopers
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Friendly neighborhood LMO here.
There has been a wealth of references submitted here. The LMO Team has went through every piece of it, including the things uploaded just yesterday. I will emphasize that from our perspective that when we decided if any specific reference was useable or not, we did not do so with the mindset of attempting to prove the existence of the character in the Star Wars Universe. It definitely exists. Nor were we concerned over the references being EU or Legends sourced. After all, we do have a Detachment that specializes in such.
The mindset we had when reviewing the material was trying to establish a common, replicatable, and uniform costume. With that in mind, a good 80% of the material cannot be used for our (Legion's) purposes. However, of the remaining 20% of material (which is still a good bit, mind you), the references are clear, show uniformity, show full length back/side/front, show detail.
Yes, we will make a CRL of the character: Imperial Army Trooper.
However. It will not be exactly what the first pass was in recreating it. The LMO Team, thus far, has determined that a good baseline of what the character uses as a consistency base is the harness, suit, belt, helmet. Other items may be added as optional accessories, but we will get to that when we get to it
We are placing this in No Detachment Affiliation for the time being, and the LMO Team will work with Tarrif (and others, if any are) directly on the production of the costume, first, to match the acceptable references, and then secondly, create the CRL based on that.
~C