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1 hour ago, kman said:
It's a light gray ... that's so light it appears white. I am familiar with non-color corrected raw source material as well, which is far as I go without messing with my NDA.
From a CRL perspective, if we call it gray, no matter how light, people are going to go GRAY, and we end up getting into fights with GMLs over... shades of gray.
I think we still need to call it white, else we get into No True Scotsman areas.
If you want to use "white with a hint of gray" for your tunic, no one is going to say boo about it.
Thank you. This is very sound reasoning. There's a number of folks in our garrison who wish to do this costume and have been trying to figure out this shade. This guidance helps a great deal. (We are including our GML in our discussions.) And, I love your guidance of white with a hint of gray, as I think that describes it perfectly.
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On 12/15/2022 at 9:51 PM, kman said:
It's called Color grading, and it's used extensively all over the show, such that the same uniform can look extremely different from scene to scene... indoor scenes where you would assume the color is consistent.
The actual color is a true white... there may be the slightest hint of gray, but it's more important to note that it's not a warm white, eggshell or cream, like some other ISB tunics we've seen. And White shows as gray, depending on the lighting, lighting direction, and shadows. But because everything is color graded so heavily, it's nearly impossible to nail the exact shade, unless we have access to raw photos well-lit studio photography that include a color chart in the shot, which we'll never get.
As such, we don't tend to pin down an exact shade for uniforms, even if we actually had Pantone colors for it, because it becomes too exclusionary, and over-zealous GMLs will start rejecting people who can't prove they don't have the exact right Pantone color. (Take a look at the color nightmare that is the Line Officer and ask how many approved Officers we would have if we actually exactly specified!) We make sure it's clear that it's NOT warm or creamy in the description, and that's as far as we go.
(Contrast that to the trenchcoat, which IS a warm white color, and looks almost tan in some shots)Very appreciative of the debate on this topic. The ISB officers in this show are Andor Grey. The ISB officers we have seen before are white. It's a new variant on the officer and a different color tunic.
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On 11/11/2022 at 3:11 AM, Barkydog1 said:
again, I’m sure none of this varies enough to generate a change to the CRL, especially since she is really meant to be just another ISB supervisor. Many of the tunic differences seem to be, as I stated, just a consequence of a new production with a new costuming crew and a slightly different aesthetic (intentional or not), because they are present on all of the uniforms. But her collar is noticeably higher than most, and her tunic seems the shortest.
Can we touch base on the color issue again? Is it possible her tunic appears white in some shots and grey in the others because it is a dove white (not a bright white)? For anyone who has painted a room (or a ceiling), there are an insane number of shades of "white." It looks as if the show's costumers chose an interesting fabric that contrasted nicely with the grey officers and the grey/black interior of the ISB.
This means the best choice of fabric for this costume would be a dove white (and not "bright white.") Even in the most brightly lit shot I could find of Meero, she still does not look as bright as the white in the background.
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Yes, I've noticed that, too. There is a lot of variation in the trench coats. It's pretty cool, actually. Lieutenant Gorn wears the olive green trench coat, too, and his style is also a little different. (I attached a pic of his coat below. ) It would be difficult to write an all encompassing CRL for the trench coat with so many variants now. It's easiest to divide it out into character specific variants.
If you're doing Dedra Meero, and want to do the coat, you'll need to do the "Meero version" to get the accessory right.
If you're doing Partagaz, and want to do the coat, you'll need to get the "Partagaz version" to get the accessory right.
The wording of the non-saga military officer CRL still needs to be updated since it shows a black coat and doesn't allow for the differences in stitching on the olive green version.
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14 hours ago, ImpOfficer said:
Where did you find this frame?
That image came from StarWars.com.
https://www.starwars.com/databank/imperial-death-troopers
StarWars.com also has a number of screenshots from Andor in their "Stills Gallery"
https://www.starwars.com/andor-stills-gallery
I'm putting together a gallery of photos we can use for reference. I have a number of trench coat shots (different angles.)
Another shot with the Death Troopers, (since you seemed to like the other one so much.)
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The same stitching is seen in Andor. Dedra Meero has the fake pocket on her left chest and the visible stitching on both of her hip level pockets.
With regards to other references, I believe the Kenobi coats are recycled from Rogue One (streets of Jedha) but I can't find a decent screen cap that shows the coat style was updated.
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The newer shows have different variants on the trench coats, and include stitching and pockets not current allowable in the CRL.
The olive green "Kenobi" trenchcoat has stitching on the pockets, at hip level, and a large fake pocket at 45 degree angle on the left breast.
I've included reference images, as well as the line in the CRL that would need updating.
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I have commissioned a trench coat from MazCave to go with my Olive green non-saga Imperial Military Officer. I have a choice of three fabrics. The color in the middle represents the fabric/color of my current costume.
Here are my thoughts on the matter...
In Kenobi, we see the "matching color" trench coats look. The color of the trench coat matches the color of Tala's military uniform and the color of Kenobi's "borrowed" Imperial hat. Looking past the bulge of the child under Kenobi's armpit, this is a nice, clean look for an officer.
In Andor, there are contrasting trench coat/uniform combinations. Very interesting visually.
For reference, this is my current officer.
Thoughts on choosing a fabric color?
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19 hours ago, GreenBeans said:
Yes the security services officers are the black ones that are from the rouge one series.
I am just about finished making mine if you need any good resources I would be glad to help.
Great! I look forward to seeing your build. Thank you for the offer of help.
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Thank you, Robert! This is perfect and exactly what I was looking for. Greatly appreciate your fast response.
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In browsing through the Non-Saga Military Officer CRL, it specifies "olive" in the CRL. The olive green officer is more commonly seen in non-saga, (Rogue One, Solo, Mandalorian.) However, the black officer does pop-up now and again. Is there a version of the Non-Saga Military Officer CRL for black? I would assume everything would be the same as the olive variant, (no notch in the code disc, smaller rank badge, smaller belt boxes, and code cylinders with silver clips.)
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I work in the sign industry and when we make name tags and badges for folks we use these.
If you want a flatter look you can remove the self adhesive tape and hot glue it to the back of the rank bar as well.
http://www.amazon.com/Pairs-pieces-Magnetic-Backing-Attachment/dp/B007FS2JFY
Thank you! My rank bar has been moving and driving me crazy. Been looking for replacement magnets, so I don't have to keep staring down: "Did it move... again..."
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Dedra Meero CRL?
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Kalani, is it possible to allow the correct shade of grey as a level two or three requirement? I worked in print production and to get corporate logos exactly correct we always deferred to the Pantone color chart. Pantone colors are available for fabric swatches, (at any fabric store, even Wal-Mart.) Just for the sake of argument, say we agreed the color is light grey and this acceptable for level two or level three approval. Couldn't we help folks out by tracking down the proper Pantone number for them? We could use light grey as the starting point and go from there. (My source from the show also confirmed the color they used is light gray.)
The only reason I'm digging my heels in on this one is the issue of screen accuracy. If we pride ourselves on getting the details right, white is white and grey is grey. ISB officers come in different colors now. But, the Andor ones we are trying to write the CRL for now are not white. It's just not accurate to say they are. As costumers, I think we're all slightly obsessive about details. If we want people to use the correct shade of grey, tell them the exact numerical shade to use. It takes the guesswork out for the costumers and the GMLs.