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Can't wait to see what other fun stuff Andor brings us.
- AdmiralJag and Greeak
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I agree, CalaZhan has a couple of Chiss costumes and would be a good resource for that.
And I concur with Bob that I could see the home for those costumes being either Flagship Eclipse, or a "new" class of officer being brought to the IOC. I am biased towards the IOC, of course, but there are certainly valid arguments for both.
When you say "in LA" do you mean Los Angeles, Louisiana, or somewhere else?
If you mean Los Angeles, you're in my area, and the Southern California Garrison is going to be your local group to connect with for events and such.
Come say hi there, too!
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On 6/1/2022 at 9:53 AM, SakanTal said:
I am working on converting a SIG MCX airsoft gun into a repeating blaster in the vein of the SE-14r Repeating Blaster.
Looking for both greeblies and assistance/ideas on executing this.
Are you just trying to make a custom blaster, or are you trying to make an SE-14r? Because the Sig MCX looks like essentially an AR15 base, and the SE-14r was created from the very rare Swiss Rexim-Favor MK5, which is considerably different.
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Agreed on mandatory gloves. If we ever see an officer under this CRL without them, BOOM, they go to Optional, but otherwise, mandatory seems appropriate. Possibly a mandatory thing when on duty? (in-universe)
That blaster looks like the Rk-3, at least superficially, although I haven't look closely into it. It's killing me that we don't have any holster shots, though, because it means we either extrapolate or don't specify any holster. I need to look into how we've handled that in the past, though, because I feel like this has happened with other costumes.
As for the animated code cylinders... I tend to agree, BUT: What vendors sell them other than Philo? I hesitate to mandate a costume part that's only offered by one vendor. (Not that DIY isn't technically an option, too). We need to discuss this further, I think.
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I concur with no piping. I've looked over a lot of reference materials (and watched a few episodes, and agree that the officers in particular do not appear to have any sort of piping. You can see shadows in the seams, that's all. There's no piping.
The boots seems pretty straightforward... if there is no distinguishing feature unique to Rebels boots, I don't think we need to recreate the wheel.
For the accessories: Gloves, belt boxes, holster+blaster:
1) To the details of the ones seen on screen match the details in Rebels, so we can reasonably assume these pretty precise descriptions are accurate to the Rebels presentation?
2) Have we need officers wearing (or not wearing) any of these items? I have not looked specifically, recently, so need to depend on others for a call, here. (Unfortunately when I watched the two Rebels episodes recently, I was specifically looking for piping and didn't think to pay attention to the accessories) If we've seen any individual olive officers:
(a) WITH belt boxes, AND withOUT belt boxes
... then the belt boxes should be optional. If we have not seen them at all, or EVERY officer has them, they should not be included. (or included as mandatory, in the latter case)
(b) WITH gloves, and withOUT gloves
... then the gloves should be optional. If we have not seen gloves at all, or EVERY officer has them, they should not be included. (or included as mandatory, in the latter case)
and (c) Ditto for the blaster. Have we seen olive officers with a blaster? (and which blaster?) Did they have a holster?
I can't answer these questions without doing more research than I have time to, at the moment, but someone needs to do the researching, so we can answer these questions.
The wording is fine (assuming those detail match... see point 1, above), it's just a question of verification, and then placement in the CRL. (optional or not... assuming we've seen them at all)
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I think they basically gave the top "hero" (if you will) officers taller collars. Just a visual queue to help the top dogs stand out a bit.
Krennic and Tarkin tend to have the tallest collars, I agree.
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On 3/20/2022 at 6:03 PM, Hoda said:
While we look over the updates I am proposing above, here are some proposed verbiage for the jodhpur trousers. Words taken from Pryce and revised to make it more Rebel officer centric.
Jodhpur Trousers
- Fabric is a medium weight suiting material exactly matching the tunic.
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Trousers are flared riding breeches, with semi-stiff flares to the hip/thigh area.
- Breeches are worn with boots.
- Breeches are neatly pressed or ironed without creases.
- The flares on the jodhpurs mimic the shape of Rebels officer’s flares
- Pockets are acceptable, although must not be visible with the tunic on.
I'm good with the Tunic, hat, and belt language proposed.
While I haven't compared it exactly, I think we should use whatever the language is for other RECENT officer jodphurs, so the language all aligns as much as possible. The one exclusive bit included (from Pryce) is this: "The flares on the jodhpurs mimic the shape of Rebels officer’s flares"
That seems like a reasonable inclusion, the question is where to put it. I also would like some eyes on the actual show by someone (sadly not me... my schedule barely allows bathing the past few weeks, and I don't want my wife to kick me out of the bedroom just for some costume research LOL) just to *verify* those unusual flare shapes are truly universally present on the officers, or if they're a bit of a mishmash of shapes.
Assuming we confirm they're pretty standard (or even THE standard), I still feel like this is a Level 2 detail. Someone commissioning a costume from scratch will have something to aim for, but we have a somewhat lower bar of entry for a relatively minor detail (I mean... look at the flaps we allow for regular officers!) at the basic level, should someone have another pair at the ready.
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Hey all! I'm late to the party here, for which I apologize... real world life has been kicking my Imperial hindquarters quite a bit lately.
A couple of thoughts, which can be revisited later if you'd like:
"Cavalry Twill or a Gabardine style weave is most accurate."
That's obviously accurate for real-world officers, but since we are making a uniquely animated costume here, is that actually needed? Not one little scrap of fabric weave is visible in this animation, even in extreme closeups. I don't think we should mandate smooth fabric, of course, but I'm also not sure we should get into specific fabrics used in the live action shows.
Then there's the code disc for the hat and belt. It's a pretty key distinguishing feature, given how different it is from the live action parts. Are you sure it should be L2, as opposed to L1? There's at least one established vendor, unless things have changed, AND they don't seem like they'd be that hard to hand make, if you're handy that way... it's basically a washer, right?
For the tunic, should the central seam down the back be a basic requirement, or L2? Seems like a pretty key distinguishing feature of the Rebels version vs a regular officer, since we're distinctly making this an animated officer costume. (I guess that could be discussed later, but wanted to mention...)
For the Rebels Code Cylinders, I hope we can get some good examples of how the real Rebels ones should be done.
I'll try to revisit this soon... tonight started off as IOC catch up and ended up crunching Excel spreadsheets for work for three hours, so I feel like I've lost my way here and it's 1am all of a sudden...
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Rebel Legion allows the tall boots for X-Wing pilot if you blouse down the flightsuit so it hides the fact that they are tall boots, but it's not a common option, because those boots tend to be more expensive than the shorter jackboots.
Jackboots (Knobelbechers is the German spelling) are far more common. The same boots and gauntlet gloves are worn by both X-Wing and TIE Pilots, so those work for both types of costume very well. BUT the tall boots that RL allows (mostly because of the costuming error in that one set of promo photos) won't work for 501st Crew costumes.
The tall riding boots, however, are appropriate for the Staff Officers... depending on the specifics of your boots. 501st looks more closely at them than RL does.
Do note that the ANH Staff Officer is a very particular costume and not commonly available. The more common sources are NOT the ANH Staff officer because the Tunic is wrong.
- rickkrennic and tarok
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On 1/27/2022 at 2:15 PM, kevair464 said:
Kinda waiting on detachment command to pick this up so we can start working on it. Hopefully once the changes to the Non-Saga CRLs are done this will come up in line
Hey Kevin! This update is definitely on our to-do list, but we're trying to clean up some long overdue costumes that have been waiting considerably longer. (In particular the rebels officer and non-saga crew flightsuits, after which smaller revisions like this are tops)
Are there any small, straightforward changes that you feel are urgent? I can possibly implement them sooner than a larger overhaul.
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6 hours ago, vonmoen said:
Cosplaysky is ok, but you'll probably need to have them tailored to fit, and I believe their hat still isn't approvable. Wampa Wear offers a Line Officer set which is pretty good for the money.
Cosplaysky/Cossky's belt is also not approvable, in addition to the hat.
Their costume can be, but its quite a noticeable step down from WampaWear and other better sources. Fit can be hit or miss depending on how they were feeling in the factory that day (near as we've been able to determine LOL), which can complicate having them altered, even, sometimes. Or you can get lucky and it fits like a glove out of the box. But it's definitely a gamble.
Avoid stormtrooper-costume.com.
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Changes approved and wiki has been updated. I suspect they'll be live shortly.
The clock starts now, on the old style being grandfathered out. The next administration can make the final call. (if that's us, I'd say somewhere between 3-6 months, so we'll see)
Meanwhile, both styles are approvable.
(If you're starting now, though, I would definitely not spend money on anything other than the more accurate newer style!)
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FYI, these changes were submitted to the LMO team for approval today.
- TK1571 and lantern2745
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2 hours ago, HMS said:
That is fine (I am used to that). I have also done some further research into what is actually needed for the black officer outfit.
Does anyone know which officer position the black tunic, jodphur pants, belt and hat off wampawear apply to?
Here is the link to the tunic for reference-
https://wampawear.com/product/black-imperial-officer-tunic-copy/
So far, I am thinking it applies only to the ANH staff officer, but I might be missing something.
It might apply to the First Order Flag officer, if I made alterations to the collar to make a V neck design, have less of a belt, and then add the sleeve insignias.
(This is just a thought).No, the ANH staff officer has a completely different tunic.
Here's your CRL:
https://databank.501st.com/databank/Costuming:Temp-Imperial-Staff-Officer_(Non_Saga)
It also could be used for the ROTJ Warrant Officer.
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1 hour ago, HMS said:
Hello! I am a prospective member to the 501st in the USA, and have been reading a variety of these posts, trying to decide if I want to make my own costume, or stick with buying one from a reputable seller for the time being.
I have lots of sewing and alteration experience, so buying a costume and then altering it myself is no big deal (I used to make my own Halloween costumes).
I am going for some type of imperial officer that would wear black, not the olive or gray uniform.
I would be curious to learn if anyone has tried what has been said above, with the different websites.
Thank you so much!
Everything we said about the olive officer costume applies to the black one, as well. (And WampaWear carries both colors.)
That said, what they do NOT have (although it's in the works... hopefully within a year?) is costumes with a woman's cut. Depending on your body type, this may (or may not) mean some fairly extensive alteration. If you're comfortable with altering men's suits to fit your personal shape, then all good.
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15 hours ago, tristanuk said:
Just as a reminder for us oldies and as information for you young-uns, the old compad would still be clearable for a period of six months after the CRL is published, so there's no need to panic.
It's worth noting the exact date of the change somewhere (like here) for clarity. Plus a copy of the old CRL in PDF format for any GML that wishes to see old CRL during this time.
Another point to note for costumers is that if you wish to upgrade any item on your costume, you must also seek approval with your local GML.
To be clear, we have not decided 100% on the overlap time period, but 6 months seems like a good time window to me. (Should leadership change in the upcoming elections, of course, the final decision will be theirs to make)
Otherwise, yes, that's the idea.
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28 minutes ago, buckrogersbarker said:
So no language for the CRL will change, just the photo?
Current IOC Bridge states:
QuoteImperial Communications Pad - Rectangular communications pad with buttons and detailing as shown.
- Compads are not electronically lit.
OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): - ROTJ bridge crew shall have a compad.
- ANH and ESB bridge crew shall not have a compad.
...with this photo:
Current JRS TIE Reserve states (I have noted the differences to our in red):
QuoteImperial Communications Pad - Rectangular communications pad, with buttons and detailing as shown, on a dark grey background.
- Comm pad is contoured slightly to fit the arm.
OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): - Compad can be weathered
- Compad is not electronically lit.
...with this photo:
Obviously our CRL language will differ in the variants mentioned under L2, and I see no reason to change that, at any point.
JRS moved the "no electronic lights" language to L2. I am neutral on that change, personally. We could leave ours as-is (banned in L1) or move it to L2 to emulate their language. And they also have a line specifically allowing (but not requiring) weathering, in L2. I don't personally see a need to explicitly allow it, but sure, why not. And of course the "countoured to the arm" bit... again, sure, why not.
The immediate "urgency" is that people who buy an accurate, JRS-compliant compad cannot currently pass for Bridge Crew with it, which they absolutely should.
At this time, I think we can literally add one short sentence to one line (in red, below), to allow BOTH options, for now.
QuoteImperial Communications Pad - Rectangular communications pad with buttons and detailing as shown. Either variant pictured is acceptable.
- Compads are not electronically lit.
OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable): - ROTJ bridge crew shall have a compad.
- ANH and ESB bridge crew shall not have a compad.
...and we'll update the photo used to show both versions. (old and new, side by side in one photo)
We can announce and make this small change ASAP, with Bob's approval. (The LMOs will not object, I am certain, so this could be done within a couple of days) It will not adversely affect anyone's current plans, because both options are accepted. Then, after a period of months (however long we determine... I think 6 months is more than enough overlap, and we could probably go with less for such a simple accessory change to a simple costume), we can remove that "either" language and simply swap in the JRS photo as the only pictured option.
And at that point we can decide whether we want to include other differences from the JRS text (grey background, electronic lighting in L2 (I say no), contour required, and allowing weathering at L2)... or literally leave it alone entirely, aside from dropping the irrelevant "either" sentence.
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On 1/20/2022 at 7:57 AM, buckrogersbarker said:
I am not opposed to the change. We just need to get everything that was researched in the JRS over to here.
When someone says why do we have "X" on a costume, we need to be able to reference it here. Not in another forum that people may not have ready access to.
Get everything here showing the differences and then we will petition the LMO for the change.
I would like for our CRLs with shared materials across ALL CRLS to have the same descriptions for economies of scale.
If anyone wants to share photos and references here, we would appreciate it.What say you, Bob? Between at least shots (in the OP) of Bridge Crew wearing what appears to be a bang on color match for the new JRS compads, and the research photos of TIE pilots and screen used pads all consistent with their research, can we at least update the CRL (asap) to allow the "new" compads, and perhaps plan (and announce) a time period after which the old color pads will be removed from the CRL? (existing approvals are grandfathered, as always)
The Andor Coffee Tumbler Thread
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Yeah, I was worried about that. Looked sunken in below the paint level, if you will, in one of the photos, but above it in another, so I was hoping it was just weird compression edge effects, but I guess not.
Painting it in is probably as good as it'll get, yeah. Meh.
Or cheat and go for some black electrical tape LOL