[Mimban Officer CRL Update Reccomendations]

Thanks guys, I like the work here so far.  @kevair464 were you going to recommend changes of your own, in addition to George's?

 

I agree we need to keep the weathering fairly optional, at this point.  And regrettably, I'm still of the opinion that the goggles need to go, unless we can find *any* confirmation that they're official Imperial kit and not just Beckett's personal gear.  Their Imperial costumes were a combination of personal kit and stolen gear, and bits of each were kept for later.  And yet Beckett is the only one *ever* seen with those goggles, among all the officers seen.

 

When we get ready to pick this up I'll likely refine and tweak things a bit further, but I think Kevin still had some input to submit, and we're not quite ready to go hard on this one just yet anyway, so there's still some time.

 

Off to a great start here, though!

[Submission Forum]

13 hours ago, ShadowStriker said:

Sorry Buck, I'm trying to sell an Item on the sale for trade. Last time I tried to submit an item, it didn't work.

 

Hey there... I'm not aware of any specific reason why you would not be able to.  Perhaps try again, and let me know if you still can't?

[Officer pants]

5 hours ago, DZ3479 said:

Tried the pants on this morning without the stirrups under my feet to see if I could bend knees comfortably and nope.  I can't let the pants out as they were taken in to fix the flares which were like elephant ears (a common problem with cosplay sky jods) when I got them. So adjusting the stirrups isn't going to solve the problem.  They are too tight around my hips and butt too (uncomfortable to bend down) so unfortunately the only solution is to get new pants. What is weird is the XS tunic fits me perfectly but the pants were too wide when I got them and are now too tight. Cosplay sky pants are awful.  I bought a star trek jumpsuit through them and the first one I got was way too big even though I sent custom measurements. I got them to redo it and the top half was great but the bottom was still wider than it should be. 

 

Agreed with Ron... if the pants themselves were altered and are now just plain too small, there's not much that can be done.

 

A second CPS outfit with pants that fit is going to be cheapest, and you'll get matching fabric, too.  Else a whole new outfit from a better seller.

[Officer pants]

It's just a matter of finding the right tension.  Too much, you have a problem (just as you do now).  Too little, you also have a problem.

[Officer pants]

12 hours ago, DZ3479 said:

my strriups are thick and wide but are pulled too tight because of the length of my pants. I need to replace my pants unfortunately.

 

Why not just cut off the stirrups and replace them with a simple elastic band?

 

I mean, of course you should do whatever you'd like, it's your money, but it does seem like you're making this more complicated that it needs to be.  A stirrup is a very simple thing to add or replace.

 

If you want to replace the pants for other reasons, that's two birds with one stone, of course.   (But bear in mind that you need matching fabric on the pants, unless you want to replace your tunic as well)

[Imperial Military Officer (Non-Saga), green]

On 10/11/2021 at 3:31 PM, kman said:

I will be submitting this CRL to the LMOs at some point today, just a heads up.

 

I didn't get it out yesterday, sorry, but the initial approval contact was made this morning, with the LMO team.  Assuming we get the green light, formal CRL building will start, on the back end.

[Officer pants]

1 hour ago, DZ3479 said:

That is good. Am seriously considering getting a pair of jods from Wampa Wear but need to wait until I've had my annual exam at the dentist as that will cost me 80-90. Am in limbo with that thanks to stupid covid.

 

As I said above, though, there will be a very noticable difference between the CosplaySky tunic and WampaWear pants.  You can get away with mixing and matching tunics and hats, but not usually tunics and pants.

 

It will cost a LOT less to have good stirrups added to CosplaySky pants (any tailor can sew a piece of elastic to the end) than to replace the whole costume.

 

I am NOT very good at sewing and I managed to add stirrups to the ends of almost every costume I have.

 

[Admiral Daala, Flightsuit]

Chris is correct... I'm not aware of any vendors who sell this costume ready made.  It will likely need to be a custom commission, or self-sewn.

 

It doesn't seem to be super complex (there's a fair amount of piping, but that's not super intricate sewing, just tacked on)... aside from the leg pockets, the flightsuit itself appears pretty basic in structure.  As long as the fabric can be sourced, I suspect it would not be hard to find someone who could take the commission.  Ditto for the belt.

 

The boots appear to be standard officer boots, so those aren't terribly difficult to come by.  Same for the rank bar.

[Officer pants]

33 minutes ago, DZ3479 said:

I see an immediate difference between the wampawear pants and the cosplaysky ones. Wampas go to the ankles and cosplay sky do not. And THAT is where my problem stems from.

 

My CosplaySky pants go to my ankles?

[Imperial Military Officer (Non-Saga), green]

I will be submitting this CRL to the LMOs at some point today, just a heads up.

[Imperial Military Officer (Non-Saga), green]

I think I'm going to give this until the end of the weekend, and if no one has any comments or changes, I'll make my proposed changes from above, and get this proposal sent off to the LMOs to chew on.

 

Speak now or forever hold your peace! LOL

 

(If no one has any ideas about modifications to the skin makeup section, I'll punt on that and let someone deal with the issue if someone does anything stupid and racist...)

[Anovos VS Denuo Novo]

Thank you for those!

 

I DO see a slight difference, but I have to say I think they're definitely close enough that the very minor difference would not matter, even for L3.

 

Perhaps it stands out a touch more in person than in photos - but do recall that L2/L3 applications are processed based on a review of ... photos.

[Imperial Military Officer (Non-Saga), green]

We're getting very close.  I have photos.  Some new, of course, and many are re-used from pre-existing CRLs which share the same components.

 

 

Description: Imperial Military Officer (Non-Saga)

Prefix: ID

Detachment: Imperial Officer Corps

Context: Rogue One, Solo, The Mandalorian and Expanded Universe.

Formed from the officer ranks of Republic Military at the end of the Clone Wars, the Imperial Military Officers provide leadership to the armed forces.  A combined service made of naval and army officers, serving individual sectors and direct control from Coruscant.  Officers provide front line, managerial and strategic leadership for the forces of the Galactic Empire.

NOTE: Imperial Military Officer Versions: Please note that there are two acceptable versions of this costume. If one variant has already been approved, another variant will still need to be approved by the GML before use.

 

Required Costume Components

The following costume components are present and appear as described below.

 

Hair and appearance

• Applicants may style hair, facial hair, eye color or use makeup to emulate any character that wears this costume, provided the example is from a licensed LFL source.
• When not emulating character appearance, applicants are encouraged but not required to adhere to conservative hair stylings and grooming of a military nature.

Colored contact lenses

• Colored contact lenses must be worn if required to accurately portray an alien character's inhuman eye coloring.
• Contacts giving the appearance of any natural human eye color may be worn to emulate a specific officer's configuration, if desired.
• All persons utilizing contact lenses are encouraged to first see their optometrist for a fitting.

 

Hat, Olive

• Hat is OPTIONAL only if a specific referenced licensed character’s uniform configuration is copied in full.
• Fabric is a medium weight suiting material exactly matching the tunic and pants.
  • Cavalry Twill or a Gabardine style weave is most accurate.
• Color matches the tunic and pants.
• Base of the hat is conical, with a crown about 4" (101.6 mm) tall.
• Front and rear "flaps" overlap on the sides and are about 4" (101.6 mm) high.
• Front bill extends 3" down, decorated with (5) (6) or (7) concentric stitches.
• Imperial Code Disk positioned in the center of the front vertical "flap."

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

• Code disk has NO notch in it on the outermost disk.

 

Tunic

• Fabric is a medium weight suiting material matching the pants (and hat, if present).
  • Cavalry Twill or a Gabardine style weave is most accurate.
• Tunic is double-breasted with a left over right closure on the tapered yoke.
• Yoke comes up across the shoulder to the top shoulder seam.
• The standing collar has square corners and is between 1.25" (31.8 mm) to 2" tall, and closes snugly.
  • The wearer's neck must not be visible between the closed collar.
    • A modesty panel behind the collar closure is recommended to help with this, but is not required.
  • Collar edges are closed with two eye hooks.
• There are code cylinder pockets on both outside panels of the jacket, from about half way between the top and bottom on the arm hole.
• Sleeves are long, and without decoration, cuffs or buttons.
• Sleeves contain 2 seams.
  • One along the bottom and one along the back.
• Tunic is constructed with no top-stitching (stitches visible on the exterior surface of fabric)
• Fasteners on the uniform should not be visible.
• Uniform is to be pressed and free of a wrinkled appearance.

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

• There is a dart in the top center of the tunic, this dart is between 2 inches (50.8mm) and 3 inches (76.2mm in length.
• There is a seam running the entire circumference of the tunic, dividing it along a line hidden by the uniform belt.
  • The front placket of the tunic may omit this seam only if the uniform belt is worn in a manner which conceals the omission.
• The back of the tunic has princess seams that run vertically and turn outward to intersect the arm-hole seam at the vertical center.

OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable):

• Tunic is secured on the right side by snaps or buttons, not velcro.
• A lining is sewn in.

 

Rank Bar

• Rank consists of colored plastic tiles mounted on a single or double metal or metal looking bar(s).
• Worn on the left side of the tunic over the heart, aligned with the code cylinder pocket.
• Each bar is approximately 1" (25.4 mm) to 1.25" (31.75 mm) in height.
• Length is determined by chosen rank.
• Rank tile dimensions and spacing are appropriate and proportional to the sizing of the bar to allow for equidistant and even spacing from each other and the border of the bar:
  • Rank tile dimensions are approximately 15 mm wide, 21 mm tall and 3.2 mm deep. - This is the R1/Solo size.
    • OR Rank tile dimensions are approximately ½" (12.7 mm) width x ¾" (19 mm) height x 1⁄8" (3.2 mm) deep. - This is the OT/Mandalorian size.
  • Rank tile sizes must all be of one or the other - Not to be intermixed.
  • Please note that final dimensions of the bar may be proportional to the wearer.
• Rank bar corners are hard 90 degree angle or slightly rounded
• Rank tiles are translucent, rectangular, positioned side by side in a vertical orientation, and evenly spaced.
• Color, quantity, and combinations of the tiles/bars are determined by rank, and are appropriate to uniform type/color as supported by licensed reference.

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

• Rank consists of colored plastic push buttons (with white to off white insert) mounted on a metal bar.

OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable):

• Rank chosen must be referenced from licensed reference.

 

Code Cylinders

• Between 1 to 4 per costume may be worn.
  • Dosimeter style: True Dosimeter style with correct silver clip (no brass) and Blue top.
• If only one is worn, it is on the left side.

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

• Only real or replica dosimeters are used.

Belt

• The belt is constructed from a non-textured leather or a leather-like material.
• Approximately 2" (50.8 mm) in width, up to 2.5” (63.5 mm) is acceptable.
• There are no loops on the belt.
• A single large snap or rivet is visible approximately 1" (25.4 mm) from the buckle.
  • The belt may be worn with the snap to the right or left of the wearer.
    • It is preferred to wear the snap to the left of the wearer, unless emulating a specific licensed character.
• The buckle is constructed from a horizontally brushed metal, or metal looking material.
• The buckle size is approximately 2 5/8“ (66.7 mm) high and 4 ⅛" (104.5 mm) wide with 0.5" (12.7 mm) radius rounded corners.
• Buckle is adorned with an un-notched Imperial Code Disk at the center.

    Please refer to the Imperial Buckle reference page for information on accurate and inaccurate style buckles.

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

• Belt is made of leather.
• Belt has a groove at the top and bottom edge along the length of the belt.
• Buckle has a slight horizontal curve.

 

Version One: Jodhpur Trousers, Olive

• Fabric is a medium weight suiting material exactly matching the tunic.
  • Cavalry Twill or a Gabardine style weave is most accurate.
• Version One trousers are flared riding breeches, with semi-stiff flares to the hip/thigh area.
  • Breeches are worn with boots.
  • Breeches are neatly pressed or ironed without creases.
• Pockets are acceptable, although are not visible with the tunic on.

 

Version Two: Pants, Olive

• Fabric is a medium weight suiting material exactly matching the tunic.
  • Cavalry Twill or a Gabardine style weave is most accurate.   
• Version Two pants are straight leg in style, and rest on the top of the shoes without bunching or giving any sloppy appearance.
  • Pants are neatly pressed or ironed with creases.
• Pockets are acceptable, although are not visible with the tunic on.

 

Version One: Officer Boots

• Knee-high, black, riding style, lace-less, smooth non-textured, leather or leather-like material.
• There are no buckles, snap tabs or decoration.
• Boots have conservative heels.
• A single stretch panel or zipper may be present, they are to be hidden on the inner part of the boot shaft.
  • Not visible from the front, side or back.
• The top of the boots may be flat or Spanish Style, but not Cowboy or Super Hero (pointed at the front) style.

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

• Boots do not have a zipper.

OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable):

• Boots are made of leather.
  • Not vinyl or PVC.
• Exact replicas of English riding (dress) boots or Equestrian boots.

Version Two: Officer Shoes

• Black, smooth non-textured, and made of leather or leather-like material.
• The shoes are void of all decoration.
• If shoes have laces they are hidden above the hem of the pants.
• Shoes have a small conservative heel.
• Chelsea style boots are acceptable, subject to the same requirements as shoes.
• If worn, may only be paired with straight-leg trousers.

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

• Shoes are well shined.

 

Optional Accessories

Items below are optional costume accessories. These items are not required for approval, but if present appear as described below. If adding in an accessory after initial approval, the item still needs to be submitted to local GML for approval before use.

 

 

Gloves

• Black, wrist length gloves constructed of a smooth, non-textured leather or leather-like material.
• Enclosed fingers.
• No buckles, straps, etc.

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

• Gloves have a plain back and no visible adornments.
• Gloves made of leather.
• Gloves end just past the wrist.

 

Trenchcoat

• Made of a medium-weight waterproof fabric that is olive-green in color, closely matching the uniform color
  • Fabric has a matte finish.
• Two flares at the breast overlap and close in the front, left breast over right. The collar continues around the neck and is approximately 3.5 inches wide.
• The inner facing of the upper collar may be of darker fabric but is not required.
• A seam runs down the arm on the outside, it begins at the costumers collar.
• Two inch long cuffed sleeves with a single button towards the end of the cuff. The cuff "strap" ends in a chevron shape.
• On the back, the storm shield has a pinch pleat at the top center of the shoulders.
• The coat ends mid-calf and is straight cut along the bottom edge.
• The coat below the belt has a split seam in the back.
• Two pocket flaps may appear at the costumer's hip, but are not required; if present, there should be no visible pocket stitching.
• The coat is worn either belted with the standard leather officer's belt, or loose.

Belt boxes (Non-Saga style)

• Dimensions are approximately  2" (50.8mm) wide by 3" (76.2 mm) tall by 1" x  (25.4mm) thick
• Two boxes to be worn vertically, one each on either side of the belt buckle

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

• Belt boxes are made of metal.

 

Dress Shirt

• A white dress shirt is worn under the tunic.
• The collar and sleeve cuffs are slightly visible, protruding from under the olive tunic.

Holster

• Made of black leather or leather-like material.

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

• Holster is affixed via a single loop over the belt.
• Holster is made of leather.

SE-14R Light Repeating Blaster

• The barrel detailing is evident with the cocking lever and slider in place.
• The ejection port is also evident.
• The scope mount looks similar to the magazine but smaller in size.
• The scope does not protrude past the blaster body.

 

 

--------------------------------------------------------------

DISCUSSION:

 

The "Appearance" section allowing makeup to alter the skin may benefit from some language to specifically prohibit blackface.  Any good suggestions?

 

There's one thorny issue which has yet to be discussed. The issue is: Color.

 

Color is a bear.  Especially in a crazy color-shifting garment like this, which looks dramatically different depending on lighting.

 

That said: The term "Feldgrau" is not contained anywhere in this CRL, nor the Line Officer CRL it evolved from.  As we all know, Feldgrau is technically the actual color used.  I will not advocate it being the MAIN color referenced, because it'll confuse too many people, but it really should be referenced in there somewhere.  Currently, there is NO actual reference to color, whatsoever... other than that it all has to match.  Fuchsia is good, then? LOL

 

I've read over a BUNCH of CRLs to see how color has been handled in other areas.  Most common approach seems to put in the line regarding the tunic's fabric.

 

"The olive drab jumpsuit..." (from Daala)

"Fabric is a medium weight, field grey colored suiting material." (from Death Star NCO)

"Tunic is constructed of a medium to heavy white twill weave fabric." (from Krennic)

"Fabric is a medium weight, dark charcoal grey drill or suiting material." (from FO Hask/Lieutenant/Colonel)

"Fabric is a medium weight, dark teal suiting material exactly matching the pants." (from First Order Colonel / Major)

"Fabric is an olive colored medium weight suiting material exactly matching the pants." (from R1 Science Officer)

"Olive/grey colored fabric is a medium weight suiting material exactly matching the pants." (from Republic/Feet Officer)

 

So we've used "Olive/Grey" and "Field grey" in other costumes.

 

Wikipedia describes Feldgrau as "greenish-gray": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feldgrau

 

Possible changes to my proposed text:

Quote

Tunic

• Fabric is a medium weight Olive/Field grey colored suiting material matching the pants (and hat, if present).
  • Cavalry Twill or a Gabardine style weave is most accurate.
  • The most accurate color is "Feldgrau", or "Field grey", which is a greenish-gray color, close to Olive.

 

Considering "field grey" has been used in other CRLs, I think this should be ok.  We could leave out the addition of the second line, but I feel like putting the explanation and including "olive" ties it into our original costume better... and make it less likely that an over-zealous GML will take this as an opportunity to ban CosplaySky's uniforms as being out of spec, color-wise.  (Which is... another discussion for another time)

[Code Cylinders for Non-Saga Imperial Staff Officer]

1 hour ago, TX12285 said:

Hope this is the correct place for this.  I just tried to get my Non-Saga Officer approved and got caught up by my GML for not having the right code cylinders.  l used the same cylinders I used for various other costumes, and thought they were correct, but I checked the CRL again, and this specific CRL does not list the alternate, non-blue tip cylinders as an option like the others do.  Was this intentional or an oversight?  I've got two types of code cylinders already, I'll buy a third if I have too, hoping I don't.

 

Thanks!

 

Bill Reed

ID-12285

 

Hi Bill: Unlike the OT, where many different code cylinders were used, all of the non-saga officers have consistently used one single type of code cylinder (the blue-tipped dosimeter style), so that's the only one offered for this CRL, until new officers are seen with different types of code cylinders.

 

The vast majority of officers in the OT used the same sort of code cylinder, except with a brass clip, while the non-saga officers used silver clips.  The silver clips are required for higher level approvals, but we've allowed the brass clips at the basic level, so people with pre-existing code cylinders (of the correct type) don't have to replace the clips unless they seek more accuracy.

[Sith Eternal Officer]

On 9/23/2021 at 10:16 PM, AJ1990 said:

Are we still in an absolute deadlock on this one? Thought I’d ask as I’ve been reading some more heated discussions re: crl creations and it got me thinking back to this one.

 

The Legion people have turned it down completely, pending new source material to show the back.

 

It's technically a judgment call... they would be within their rights to decide either way, and this is the way they decided.

 

I don't agree with the decision, but until there is a new LMO team calling the shots, there's nothing we can do.  The letter of the bylaws give them the ultimate decision-making power, in these situations.

[Anovos VS Denuo Novo]

On 9/22/2021 at 1:05 PM, tacblue said:

It came with the cog pin.  Makes a nice enough pin to wear with regular clothes I guess.   The R1 pin I put on it myself to easily differentiate them in the photo. 

  The color is noticeably a bit darker than the original Anovos. I think the photo taken from directly above shows the color difference the best.  Personally, I'm not sure it's close enough for approval, although being that it's separated from the rest of the uniform by the head and neck might help that somewhat.   I feel like the difference is most noticeable under natural light.  I can try and take some more pictures while wearing the tunic, but I have to wait a couple days because the hat is at the dry cleaners til Thursday.  We will also be able to see if dry cleaning it has any effect on the color. The base color definitely appears to be the same, just the newer one seems a couple shades darker, if that makes any sense.  My Anovos hat and uniform have been dry cleaned a number of times, as well as being subjected to a handheld steamer for fixing wrinkles etc, so I guess that should be taken into consideration as far as it's color goes.   Although to be fair, I don't have any real recollection of feeling like the color has changed since I got it. 

 

FWIW, I confirmed with the Denuo Novo sales manager that they DID tweak the colors slightly, to better match the references they had obtained.  They ARE slightly darker.  He said that Anovos' earlier manufacturing runs were lighter, and their final batch was darker and should be VERY close if not identical to what DN is shipping now.  The new uniforms will match the new hats exactly.  Depending on the exact batch your Anovos tunic is, the newest hats might be a bit darker, as we can see.

 

That what I was told, in any event.

 

As to your specific combo, any chance we can get a photo of you wearing the Anovos tunic with the new DN hat?  (Should be back from the cleaners now?)  I know it's not quite the same as seeing it in person, but I'm still curious how close it looks.  Natural daylight (not necessarily direct strong sunlight, just no indoor lighting or flash) would be ideal, I think, if possible.

[Imperial Army Operations Officer]

10 hours ago, charlyselo said:

In general, I agree with the text...

 

About rank bars, I'm with the opinion of only allow those seen on screen, that is, a single row 3 reds / 3 ambers, or a single row 6 reds. With that in mind, I would remove all references of double rank bars, free choice for tiles combination, etc and move the line that limits the two combinations from level 3 section to basic section.

 

And no, no code cylinders for this costume as none has been seen for it.

 

Except for this two points, I think the text is perfect!

 

Thank you.

 

And that's exactly why the rank bars were open to discussion.

 

I agree with your opinion, but I'm second in command... so if the DL insists, thems the rules.  Otherwise, if he's open to either case, we can see what people think and I'll make the call from there.

[Imperial Military Officer (Non-Saga), green]

1 hour ago, Aurra said:

 My two cents. I would like to wear my approved uniform as the character eli vanto. The character has appeared in two canon books and one comic book.
At the moment this is not possible because there is no crl for him. Although it is basically my approved uniform only without a cap but with a wig and other contouring. Therefore, I find the idea presented here good and hope it finds a way.

Picture ist so big repost it here; so if you want to have a look https://www.dropbox.com/s/k6npi9l3ewkans5/uri_mr1559212637216.jpg?dl=0

 

 

The Eli Vanto has nothing specific about it that needs a separate CRL.  He's just another Imperial Officer in the green uniform.  This CRL would permit you to portray that character perfectly.  In fact, your specific situation was literally one of the things I bore in mind while tending to the phrasing of the requirements.

[Imperial Army Operations Officer]

Ok, at long last here is my proposed text.  I've attempted to pull primarily language from the existing ANH Staff Officer CRL, updated and tweaked slightly, and of course slightly modified for this costume, and combined it with proposed text written in the OP for this post.  I think I'm reasonably satisfied with the end result, and I don't think there's anything anyone would find objectionable, all being pulled from existing sources.  There are a few areas I'd like to nail down, as noted in red below.

 

Army Operations Officer CRL

 

Description: Army Operations Officer
Prefix: ID
Detachment: Imperial Officer Corps
Context: Star Wars Episode IV

These gray uniformed officers are high class soldiers within the Empire's Imperial Army and provided ___________ [We need some descriptive text for this]. These ambitious officers not only serve aboard starships and military installations, but their efforts assist in bringing victory to troops in battle. This particular costume is specific and unique to Star Wars: A New Hope.

 

Required Costume Components

The following costume components are present and appear as described below.

Imperial Hat, black

• Fabric is a medium weight suiting material exactly matching the pants.
  • Cavalry Twill or a Gabardine style weave is most accurate.
• Black color matches the pants.
• Base of the hat is conical, with a crown about 4" (101.6 mm) tall.
• Front and rear "flaps" overlap on the sides and are about 4" (101.6 mm) high.
• Front bill extends 3" down, decorated with (5) (6) or (7) concentric stitches.
• Imperial Code Disk positioned in the center of the front vertical "flap."

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

• Code Disk has a notch detail on the outermost disk.

OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable):

• Code disk exactly matches screen-used prop.

 

Tunic, Light Gray

• Fabric is a medium weight suiting material exactly matching the pants and hat.
  • Cavalry Twill or a Gabardine style weave is most accurate.
• Tunic is double-breasted with a left over right closure at the right shoulder-seam.
• The back of the tunic replicates the look of the double breasted design of the front.
• Yoke closes up across the shoulder to the top shoulder seam.
• The standing collar has square corners and is approximately 1.25" to 1.5" tall and closes snugly.
• Collar edges close on the right side of the neck with two eye hooks.
  • Collar closure edge aligns with the right shoulder seam.
• There are code cylinder pockets on both outside panels of the jacket from about half way between the top and bottom on the arm hole.
• Sleeves are long, and without decoration, containing 2 seams, one along the bottom and one along the back.
  • The rear sleeve seam opens at the cuffs at a length of about 3" (75mm).
• Tunic has top-stitching in these specific areas:
  • Approximately 1/4" (6mm) from the outer edges of the double breast/double back,
  • Approximately 1" (25.4mm) from the outer edge of the double breast/double back,
  • Directly underneath the edge of the code cylinder-pockets.
• Fasteners on the uniform should not be visible.

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

• There is a dart in the top center of the tunic, this dart is approximately 2 inches (50.8mm) in length.
• There is a seam running the entire circumference of the tunic, dividing it along a line hidden by the uniform belt.
• The back of the tunics' replicated double-breast opens at both lower pleats.

OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable):

• Tunic to be secured on the right side by snaps or buttons, not Velcro.
• There is no topstitching visible anywhere but at the noted points.
• A lining is sewn in.

 

Rank Bar

• Rank consists of colored plastic tiles mounted on a single or double metal or metal looking bar(s). [Are ALL rank levels permitted for this costume?]
• Worn on the left side of the tunic over the heart, aligned with the code cylinder pocket.
• A bar is approximately 1" (25.4 mm) to 1.25" (31.75 mm) in height.
• Length is determined by chosen rank.
• Rank tile dimensions and spacing are appropriate and proportional to the sizing of the bar to allow for equidistant and even spacing from each other and the border of the bar:
  • Rank tile dimensions are approximately ½" (12.7 mm) width x ¾" (19 mm) height x 1⁄8" (3.2 mm) deep.
  • Please note that final dimensions of the bar may be proportional to the wearer.
• Rank bar corners are hard 90 degree angle or slightly rounded
• Rank tiles are translucent, rectangular, positioned side by side in a vertical orientation, and evenly spaced.
• Color, quantity, and combinations of the tiles/bars are determined by rank, and are appropriate to uniform type/color as supported by licensed reference.  [Are ALL rank levels permitted for this costume?]

 

For level two certification (if applicable):

• Rank consists of colored plastic push buttons mounted on a metal bar.

For level three certification (if applicable):

• Belt box, code cylinder, and rank badge configuration is consistent with film canon officers. [Tweak this if all ranks permitted... note: Code Cylinders were not seen]
• There are only Two choices of rank bar for ANH Army Operations officers:  [Remove this if all ranks permitted]
  • One row of six red tiles.
  • One row of three red tiles and three amber tiles.

Belt

 

• The belt is constructed from a non-textured leather or a leather-like material.
• Approximately 2" (50.8 mm) in width, up to 2.5” (63.5 mm) is acceptable.
• There are no loops on the belt.
• A single large snap or rivet is visible approximately 1" (25.4 mm) from the buckle.
  • The belt may be worn with the snap to the right or left of the wearer.
    • It is preferred to wear the snap to the left of the wearer, unless emulating a specific licensed character.
• The buckle is constructed from a horizontally brushed metal, or metal looking material.
• The buckle size is approximately 2 5/8“ (66.7 mm) high and 4 ⅛" (104.5 mm) wide with 0.5" (12.7 mm) radius rounded corners.
• Buckle is adorned with an un-notched Imperial Code Disk at the center.

Please refer to the Imperial Buckle reference page for information on accurate and inaccurate style buckles.

 

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

• Belt is made of leather.
• There are no grooves on the edges of the belt strap.
• The belt is worn with the snap to the left of the wearer.

OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable):

• Belt has undyed edges.

 

Jodhpur Trousers, black

• Fabric is a black medium weight suiting material exactly matching the hat.
  • Cavalry Twill or a Gabardine style weave is most accurate.
• Trousers are flared riding breeches, with semi-stiff flares to the hip/thigh area.
  • Breeches are worn with boots.
  • Breeches are neatly pressed or ironed without creases.
• Pockets are acceptable, although they are not visible with the tunic on.

 

Officer Boots

• Knee-high, black, riding style, lace-less, smooth non-textured, leather or leather-like material.
• There are no buckles, snap tabs or decoration.
• Boots have conservative heels.
• A single stretch panel or zipper may be present, they are to be hidden on the inner part of the boot shaft.
  • Not visible from the front, side or back.
• The top of the boots may be flat or Spanish Style, but not Cowboy or Super Hero (pointed at the front) style.

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

• Boots do not have stretch panels or a zipper.

OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable):

• Boots are made of leather.
  • Not vinyl or PVC.
• Exact replicas of English riding (dress) boots or Equestrian boots.

 

Optional Accessories
Items below are optional costume accessories. These items are not required for approval, but if present appear as described below.
 
Belt Boxes

• Dimensions are approximately 2 1/2" (63.5 mm) by 3 1/2" (88.9 mm) by 1" (25.4 mm) thick.
• Two boxes may be worn, one on either side of the belt.
• Placement of the screw / rivet for the belt boxes should be on the shortest side (left and right for horizontal)
• An uneven number of boxes is incorrect.

For level two certification (if applicable):

• Belt boxes include a lid on back of the box.
• Belt boxes shall be worn only horizontally.

OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable):

• Belt boxes are made of metal.

 

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Questions for discussion:

 

Are code cylinders permitted with this costume?  Easy enough to grab the language from other CRLs, if so.  I would assume brass clips since this costume is from ANH, but since they're never actually seen...

 

What about ranks?  There were only two in the movie, and in the originally proposed CRL text.  Open to all (including double stacks?), or just the two seen?  This is very much an OT costume and not a non-saga version, so I'd tend towards the conservative, personally.

 

And we need some copy for the description.

 

Otherwise, this should be good to collect formal photos for the submission and send off, I'd think.

[Imperial Military Officer (Non-Saga), green]

On 9/19/2021 at 1:32 PM, Eagle said:

Something else I want to add is just because we see it, doesn't mean it needs to be a CRL. That's just my take. Who's going to want to wear a stripped down officer essentially? I'm approved as Warrant Officer and I've never worn it. I know several other people who did the same. Why put time into making a prescreening officer CRL if there's no interest for it. Let's stick to the task at hand and get this approved first. 

 

One Interesting justification I once read for the Warrant Officer is: If you ever forget your rank bar at home, or lose it partway through a troop, you can still troop in an approvable (/ approved) costume.

[Imperial Military Officer (Non-Saga), green]

1 hour ago, Mitthrawnuruodo said:

I agree there is a lot of info in this thread to throw into 1 CRL, but isn't this why tabs were introduced? Prescreening Officer seems like a good one to just be a tab

 

Yes, but there's really not much different between adding a tab to a CRL and making a new CRL.  The process is the same... the tabs just keep things more organized.

[Anovos VS Denuo Novo]

Interesting.  I've spoken with the sales manager at Denuo Novo and they confirmed that they were planning to start selling Officer costumes again, using fabric (and patterns) sourced from the same factory.  Matching colors was quite important to them... I'll see if I can pass one of these photos on, and inquire.

 

Incidentally, there is no connection to the owners of Anovos at the new company... they just purchased all the rights, licenses, patterns, stock, and vendor lists, so they could pick up where Anovos left off. (starting with fulfilling all the orders that Anovos didn't have the cash to fulfill)

 

Personally, I think the two hats are close enough that I would approve them, unless it's way worse in person than it appears in these photos.  (But considering costumes are judged via photos...)  It's the same fabric, and the shade I suspect is simply a slightly different dye lot that's shifted just enough to be noticable when directly side to side.

 

Product link for reference: https://www.denuonovo.com/products/imperial-officer-hat-olive-grey

 

@tacblue Did the Denuo Novo hat come with the R1-style greeblie, or did you supply that yourself?  I know the Anovos one was notched, and the product photos for the olive hats show the Krennic-style cog pin, which of course is not accurate.  I'll inquire about that as well.

[Mimban Officer Rework]

Feldgrau usually is "olive green" (ish).  @kevair464 would be best qualified to answer the color question off the top of his head... I'd need to do research first.

[Imperial Military Officer (Non-Saga), green]

5 hours ago, buckrogersbarker said:

@kman  There are some that do not wear gloves.  General Romodi stands out as well as the admiral in Rogue One.  There are numerous in the recent comics.  Gloves should be optional.

There are currently no ponchos worn by green officers, but I am told that a poncho of some kind might be in our future with a coming production.  

 

We have seen some alien species in uniform that are not Chiss or human.  A Devorian was in a recent comic (big dual horned humanoid).  I think there should be a provision for not wearing any rank as that has happened at times in comics.  Assuming someone wants to do that devorian.  

A lot of that looks good... great even.  I'll draw others into the discussion so they can take a look.

 

 

Gloves being optional is fine with me, as long as they were in the green costume.  I just couldn't recall any examples off the top of my head so I wasn't sure.  I'll edit my post to move it into the Optional section.

 

We'll leave the rain poncho out until we actually see someone wearing one, then we can add it in easily enough.

 

Re Aliens, right, that's what I was trying to accomodate, in terms of appearance.  I figured we'd want options there, and didn't want to write it in a way that would exclude aliens and require future changes, if it could be phrased well enough today.

 

I'm not sure I'm on board with leaving rank bars off, though.  That feels like more of a "wardrobe malfunction" (temporary / on purpose or otherwise) than how a uniform is supposed to be worn.  I'm sure there were times that officers are literally half dressed, too, while they prepare for their day, but we don't necessarily need to enshrine that state into the CRL for someone to wear at a troop.

 

Thanks for the compliment.   I wrote most of this about a month ago... sorry it took so long to get it cleaned up and posted!

 

Once we collect photos, hopefully things can move quickly from here, if not other major changes are needed.  I'd still like to get some sort of wording in there to make it clear that blackface is not what we mean by makeup...

[Imperial Military Officer (Non-Saga), green]

My proposed draft follows.  I've incorporated features from a number of existing CRLs, plus suggestions from posts above, and cleaned up language throughout:

 

 

Required Costume Components

The following costume components are present and appear as described below.

 

Hair and appearance

• Applicants may style hair, facial hair, eye color or use makeup to emulate any character that wears this costume, provided the example is from a licensed LFL source.
• When not emulating character appearance, applicants are encouraged but not required to adhere to conservative hair stylings and grooming of a military nature.

 

Colored contact lenses

• Colored contact lenses must be worn if required to accurately portray an alien character's inhuman eye coloring.
• Contacts giving the appearance of any natural human eye color may be worn to emulate a specific officer's configuration, if desired.
• All persons utilizing contact lenses are encouraged to first see their optometrist for a fitting.

 

Hat, Olive

• Hat is OPTIONAL only if a specific referenced licensed character’s uniform configuration is copied in full.
• Fabric is a medium weight suiting material exactly matching the tunic and pants.
  • Cavalry Twill or a Gabardine style weave is most accurate.
• Color matches the tunic and pants.
• Base of the hat is conical, with a crown about 4" (101.6 mm) tall.
• Front and rear "flaps" overlap on the sides and are about 4" (101.6 mm) high.
• Front bill extends 3" down, decorated with (5) (6) or (7) concentric stitches.
• Imperial Code Disk positioned in the center of the front vertical "flap."

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

• Code disk has NO notch in it on the outermost disk.

 

Tunic

• Fabric is a medium weight suiting material matching the pants (and hat, if present).
  • Cavalry Twill or a Gabardine style weave is most accurate.
• Tunic is double-breasted with a left over right closure on the tapered yoke.
• Yoke comes up across the shoulder to the top shoulder seam.
• The standing collar has square corners and is between 1.25" (31.8 mm) to 2" tall, and closes snugly.
  • The wearer's neck must not be visible between the closed collar.
    • A modesty panel behind the collar closure is recommended to help with this, but is not required.
  • Collar edges are closed with two eye hooks.
• There are code cylinder pockets on both outside panels of the jacket, from about half way between the top and bottom on the arm hole.
• Sleeves are long, and without decoration, cuffs or buttons.
• Sleeves contain 2 seams.
  • One along the bottom and one along the back.
• Tunic is constructed with no top-stitching (stitches visible on the exterior surface of fabric)
• Fasteners on the uniform should not be visible.
• Uniform is to be pressed and free of a wrinkled appearance.

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

• There is a dart in the top center of the tunic, this dart is between 2 inches (50.8mm) and 3 inches (76.2mm in length.
• There is a seam running the entire circumference of the tunic, dividing it along a line hidden by the uniform belt.
  • The front placket of the tunic may omit this seam only if the uniform belt is worn in a manner which conceals the omission.
• The back of the tunic has princess seams that run vertically and turn outward to intersect the arm-hole seam at the vertical center.

OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable):

• Tunic is secured on the right side by snaps or buttons, not velcro.
• A lining is sewn in.

 

Rank Bar

• Rank consists of colored plastic tiles mounted on a single or double metal or metal looking bar(s).
• Worn on the left side of the tunic over the heart, aligned with the code cylinder pocket.
• Each bar is approximately 1" (25.4 mm) to 1.25" (31.75 mm) in height.
• Length is determined by chosen rank.
• Rank tile dimensions and spacing are appropriate and proportional to the sizing of the bar to allow for equidistant and even spacing from each other and the border of the bar:
  • Rank tile dimensions are approximately 15 mm wide, 21 mm tall and 3.2 mm deep. - This is the R1/Solo size.
    • OR Rank tile dimensions are approximately ½" (12.7 mm) width x ¾" (19 mm) height x 1⁄8" (3.2 mm) deep. - This is the OT/Mandalorian size.
  • Rank tile sizes must all be of one or the other - Not to be intermixed.
  • Please note that final dimensions of the bar may be proportional to the wearer.
• Rank bar corners are hard 90 degree angle or slightly rounded
• Rank tiles are translucent, rectangular, positioned side by side in a vertical orientation, and evenly spaced.
• Color, quantity, and combinations of the tiles/bars are determined by rank, and are appropriate to uniform type/color as supported by licensed reference.

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

• Rank consists of colored plastic push buttons (with white to off white insert) mounted on a metal bar.

OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable):

• Rank chosen must be referenced from licensed reference.

 

Code Cylinders

• Between 1 to 4 per costume may be worn.
  • Dosimeter style: True Dosimeter style with correct silver clip (no brass) and Blue top.
• If only one is worn, it is on the left side.

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

• Only real or replica dosimeters are used.

 

Belt

• The belt is constructed from a non-textured leather or a leather-like material.
• Approximately 2" (50.8 mm) in width, up to 2.5” (63.5 mm) is acceptable.
• There are no loops on the belt.
• A single large snap or rivet is visible approximately 1" (25.4 mm) from the buckle.
  • The belt may be worn with the snap to the right or left of the wearer.
    • It is preferred to wear the snap to the left of the wearer, unless emulating a specific licensed character.
• The buckle is constructed from a horizontally brushed metal, or metal looking material.
• The buckle size is approximately 2 5/8“ (66.7 mm) high and 4 ⅛" (104.5 mm) wide with 0.5" (12.7 mm) radius rounded corners.
• Buckle is adorned with an un-notched Imperial Code Disk at the center.

    Please refer to the Imperial Buckle reference page for information on accurate and inaccurate style buckles.

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

• Belt is made of leather.
• Belt has a groove at the top and bottom edge along the length of the belt.
• Buckle has a slight horizontal curve.

 

Version One: Jodhpur Trousers, Olive

• Fabric is a medium weight suiting material exactly matching the tunic.
  • Cavalry Twill or a Gabardine style weave is most accurate.
• Version One trousers are flared riding breeches, with semi-stiff flares to the hip/thigh area.
  • Breeches are worn with boots.
  • Breeches are neatly pressed or ironed without creases.
• Pockets are acceptable, although are not visible with the tunic on.

 

Version Two: Pants, Olive

• Fabric is a medium weight suiting material exactly matching the tunic.
  • Cavalry Twill or a Gabardine style weave is most accurate.   
• Version Two pants are straight leg in style, and rest on the top of the shoes without bunching or giving any sloppy appearance.
  • Pants are neatly pressed or ironed with creases.
• Pockets are acceptable, although are not visible with the tunic on.

 

Version One: Officer Boots

• Knee-high, black, riding style, lace-less, smooth non-textured, leather or leather-like material.
• There are no buckles, snap tabs or decoration.
• Boots have conservative heels.
• A single stretch panel or zipper may be present, they are to be hidden on the inner part of the boot shaft.
  • Not visible from the front, side or back.
• The top of the boots may be flat or Spanish Style, but not Cowboy or Super Hero (pointed at the front) style.

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

• Boots do not have a zipper.

OPTIONAL Level three certification (if applicable):

• Boots are made of leather.
  • Not vinyl or PVC.
• Exact replicas of English riding (dress) boots or Equestrian boots.

 

Version Two: Officer Shoes

• Black, smooth non-textured, and made of leather or leather-like material.
• The shoes are void of all decoration.
• If shoes have laces they are hidden above the hem of the pants.
• Shoes have a small conservative heel.
• Chelsea style boots are acceptable, subject to the same requirements as shoes.
• If worn, may only be paired with straight-leg trousers.

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

• Shoes are well shined.

 

Optional Accessories

Items below are optional costume accessories. These items are not required for approval, but if present appear as described below. If adding in an accessory after initial approval, the item still needs to be submitted to local GML for approval before use.

 

Gloves

• Black, wrist length gloves constructed of a smooth, non-textured leather or leather-like material.
• Enclosed fingers.
• No buckles, straps, etc.

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

• Gloves have a plain back and no visible adornments.
• Gloves made of leather.
• Gloves end just past the wrist.

 

Trenchcoat

• Made of a medium-weight waterproof fabric that is olive-green in color, closely matching the uniform color
  • Fabric has a matte finish.
• Two flares at the breast overlap and close in the front, left breast over right. The collar continues around the neck and is approximately 3.5 inches wide.
• The inner facing of the upper collar may be of darker fabric but is not required.
• A seam runs down the arm on the outside, it begins at the costumers collar.
• Two inch long cuffed sleeves with a single button towards the end of the cuff. The cuff "strap" ends in a chevron shape.
• On the back, the storm shield has a pinch pleat at the top center of the shoulders.
• The coat ends mid-calf and is straight cut along the bottom edge.
• The coat below the belt has a split seam in the back.
• Two pocket flaps may appear at the costumer's hip, but are not required; if present, there should be no visible pocket stitching.
• The coat is worn either belted with the standard leather officer's belt, or loose.

 

Belt boxes (Non-Saga style)

• Dimensions are approximately  2" (50.8mm) wide by 3" (76.2 mm) tall by 1" x  (25.4mm) thick
• Two boxes to be worn vertically, one each on either side of the belt buckle

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

• Belt boxes are made of metal.

 

Dress Shirt

• A white dress shirt is worn under the tunic.
• The collar and sleeve cuffs are slightly visible, protruding from under the olive tunic.

 

Holster

• Made of black leather or leather-like material.

OPTIONAL Level two certification (if applicable):

• Holster is affixed via a single loop over the belt.
• Holster is made of leather.

 

SE-14R Light Repeating Blaster

• The barrel detailing is evident with the cocking lever and slider in place.
• The ejection port is also evident.
• The scope mount looks similar to the magazine but smaller in size.
• The scope does not protrude past the blaster body.

 

 

DISCUSSION:

 

Are there any examples of green-uniformed officers wearing rain ponchos?  How about the green officers without gloves (read: should gloves be under optional or required)?

 

The "Appearance" section allowing makeup to alter the skin needs language to specifically prohibit blackface... I'll noodle on the wording, unless someone has a good suggestion.